Family mourns young boy shot in Newburgh

[mdmc]

http://midhudsonnews.com/News/2010/August/09/Scandrett_funr-09Aug10.html
Scandrett was shot to death last Monday evening in his apartment at 51 Chambers Street in Newburgh.

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Newburgh seems to have a lot of criminals shooting people. Newburgh seems to have plenty of kids that get accidently harmed or killed by guns.
I have yet to see an incident here a lawful gun owner has stopped a crime by owning / using a gun.

[onehandle]

1. Did you ever ask for it.

There are right-wing sites that post lists of 'successful' crime stopping by gun owners for spreading around the Internets.

Interestingly, there are rarely witnesses to these Dirty Harrys in action. It's usually hearsay.

[armueller2001]

2. So.. because there hasn't been a report here (recently)

of a lawful gun owner using their weapon, that means it doesn't happen?

Studies have shown there are an estimated 2 million defensive uses of firearms each year. A countless number go unreported because a vast majority of the time, a shot is never fired. The mere presence of a firearm is often enough to make an assailant STOP and leave.

[Bold Lib]

3. Wonder what happened. It seems the police don't know yet.

Newburgh Police continue to investigate the circumstances of the case. They have linked the gun to Robert Gooding, 51, and charged him criminal possession of a weapon.

Gooding’s two sons, ages six and eight, were with the boy when he was mortally wounded. Police are not saying who had the gun, which they have yet to recover.

Very strange. What a horrible thing to have happen.

[Glassunion]

4. Lawful gun owner stops a crime.

You do realize that this is in NY state, yes?

NY is a shall issue state where it is quite difficult to obtain a permit, unless of course you have a bit of money or are connected.

I have an aquaitence in NY who is unable to obtain a permit. Funny thing though. He is the NRA rated instructor for the required training before people can obtain a permit. He has been fighting it for about a year now.

So to answer your comment. The "lawful gun owner" in NY is a rare breed.

[oneshooter]

5. "Shall issue" or "May issue"? n/t

[Glassunion]

6. Your right! That is not the first time I have screwed that up. NY is "may" issue.

I blame lack of coffee and midnight shifts.

[friendly_iconoclast]

7. Your acquaintance *might* be the NY State version of Heller or McDonald...

...given the right legal backing. He would be an ideal plaintiff, given what you have said about him.

It's time for the 'may issue' Prohibitionists to get their long overdue legal beatdown, and nothing succeeds like success.

You should urge him to get in touch with the Second Amendment Foundation, or perhaps Alan Gura.

[Glassunion]

8. He is not too sure that he has a case.

His problem obtaining a CCW is his residence. He is in the construction business and moves a lot. I think the rule in NY state is that you have to be a county resident for a set period of time. Depending on where the work is, is where he moves to and NY is a big state.

I just find it laughable that he is a cetified firearms instructor with a specific focus on training those who are working to obtain their permits. He also does some LEO and security training. It's just a huge cluster F.

"Hi Mr. Jones. A few of our police officers want to take one of your courses. Can you train them? Yes. Great! No we will not give you a permit. You may be dangerous. You have not lived in the county for two years. Can't you see the danger in that?"

From NY law: "Applications for licenses must be acted upon within 6 months after presentment. If there is a delay(I guess 6 MONTHS is not a delay), there must be written notice to the applicant stating the reasons."

[PavePusher]

12. Could still have a case.

Civil Rights (are not/should not be) dependent on residence. The only one that is is voting, in which you have to be a resident of a district to vote in, and this is modified by absentee voting systems.

As a "fundimental right" it should no more be dependent on residence than the First or Fourth or Thirteenth Amendments.

[pipoman]

9. Of coarse

any unintentional death is sad, especially a child.

That said, statistically firearms accidents are at 50 year lows, violent crime rates at 30-40 year lows, so unless Newburgh is some sort of anomaly, what "seems" to be the case is probably not the case at all. Far, far more kids are injured or killed in swimming pools, ATVs, motorcycles, football, basketball, soccer, and hockey accidents than sporting firearms accidents. As for criminals doing criminal things, well, when you can come up with a plan to reduce that let us know....it ain't gonna happen by imposition of new laws on people who obey the law.

[jazzhound]

10. Well what do you know?!

As for criminals doing criminal things, well, when you can come up with a plan to reduce that let us know....it ain't gonna happen by imposition of new laws on people who obey the law.

My sig line agrees with you!!

[SteveM]

11. Please see #9 below. I would add...

that the National Safety Council has reported that the number of childhood deaths due to firearms has fallen considerably faster than all the other listed and categorized causes of deaths that the Council collects.

You say: "Newburgh seems to have a lot of criminals shooting people. Newburgh seems to have plenty of kids that get accidently harmed or killed by guns." Do you have data which shows Newburgh as standing out from the national data? This is possible due to local circumstances, such as organized gangs reaching the point where they are unchecked, but it is uncommon.

If you read/view MSM, you are unlikely to "...see an incident here a lawful gun owner has stopped a crime by owning / using a gun. Elsewhere in this thread you will see the 2 million number, but MSM is reluctant to post any stories which undermines its "traditional" meme that "more guns = more crime."