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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:26 AM Original message |
CCW holder killed Costco by police - Family puts up billboards looking for witnesses |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. When officers are dealing with CCW holders, they seem like they are much more aggressive. |
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dtexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Well, they need to be more aggressive when dealing with such nutcases. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Nutcases abide by the law by getting permits for their guns? (nt) |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Please cease your slander immediately. |
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WheelWalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. I beg your pardon ?! |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. So even though |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. Everybody's a "nutcase" in somebody's book |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
35. So, "nutcases" are any persons who have a CCW? Does your category... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. Thats an asshole thing to say. Here its a good guy card |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. That may depend on the state ... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-29-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. That has not been my experience. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-29-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. That hasn't been my experience here, either. |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-29-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Same here - in fact I took a class last week taught by a police officer |
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Mandell (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-20-10 09:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
109. I had a traffic stop.... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. On another forum, someone posted what is purported to be the message traffic |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. another question |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
30. Costco is private property |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. You would have exaggerated the situation on the 911 call |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. The Parking Lot is still Private Property. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. He was intercepted while he and his fiancee were heading for his car to leave. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-29-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. Can you cite to any evidence of PTSD? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-30-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. And you get "your take" from what? A dubious transcript of radio chatter? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-30-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Radio chatter based on demonstrably bad information, at that. (n/t) |
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Mandell (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-20-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
110. Investigation.. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-20-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
111. Witness statements indicate he was told to "drop it" and "get down on the ground" |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
4. One good reason not to carry a gun in public: |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. It's also what an estimated six million licensed Americans do. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Deleted message |
PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Why bother with a permit... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. You'd better not carry a wallet or a sunglasses case, or anything that might be mistaken for a gun |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-20-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
105. Even a black wallet |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 07:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. And I think you are |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 05:15 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I don't oppose carrying a gun. |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 07:06 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. This is funny to me... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I'd like to get your opinion here.. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Sooo |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I don't carry a lot of cash. But I have several thousand dollars |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. You and me both. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. "I don't oppose carrying a gun." |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Deleted message |
PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Can you tell me how you know... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-29-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
47. Yeah, didn't think so. n/t |
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tourivers83 (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-22-10 11:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
101. Penis envy. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. So you |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. "big gun... tiny dick:" He who first smelt it dealt it -- Euripides. nt |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. So my Constitutional rights should be restricted... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Perhaps if criminals didn't carry weapons in public ... |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. They wont do what they're told |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. It's hard to believe that criminals wouldn't obey the law. (n/t) |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-20-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
106. They should be targeted just like |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
20. It occurs to me that more education is needed, on two fronts |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 08:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Yup. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
40. In NC they made it really clear. The officers have been instructed as well. |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-29-10 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
44. Family Attorney Outraged Over Inquest Delay |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-29-10 08:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. This is going to get really nasty. |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-30-10 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
48. Links to stuff... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-30-10 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
51. Police have seized the Costco surveillance hard drives. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-30-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. "forensics anlysis" |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-30-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. One news report I read said there was a glitch in thier DVR system. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Of course there will be a "glitch". nt |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. Was it " The Big Easy " ? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
77. Those were video of inside the store. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 06:01 AM Response to Original message |
54. I recall the CCW-fanatics crowing about how they got the "No Concealed Carry" placards pulled down |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 07:34 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Ummm, Costo is one of the few stores left that IS paranoid about licensed CCW. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 07:37 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Are you saying that dead Scott violated a store firearms-ban that was posted at the entrance? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I've never seen a "no firearms" sign at a Costco |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Are you claiming this homicide was justified? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Why do you "need" to post your opinion? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Here's why you carry a firearm into a store ... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Costco doesn't care. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. To be honest, I have never shopped at a Costco .. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Costco would shit if they knew how many people packed in their Massachusetts warehouses |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. America is generally a safe place. One does not need a firearm to go out in public. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Your odds of being the victim of violent crime are 1 in 50. (2007 DOJ data) |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Having a flu shot |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. ....? Sorry, not getting your point. n/t |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Where the risk is...eom |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I was gonna say.. getting a flu shot.. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. How do you know what his behavior was like? And did it justify his being shot? |
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freebrew (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. Nothing justifies being shot in the back. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. There is no 'shoot to kill' directive. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Statistically you may be right ... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. The U.S. has over one million violent crimes per year. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. More slander from you. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. You learned a new word to use in the DU forum...eom |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. And here's another new word: Zampolit |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-01-10 06:53 AM Response to Reply #75 |
81. "If you shop with a concealed weapon, you deserve to be shot." |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-01-10 07:57 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. That is a partial quote, taken out of context |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-01-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Ninja, please; you've been implying it pretty heavily |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-01-10 03:28 AM Response to Reply #67 |
80. And you have yet to actually address a single point raised to you. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-01-10 06:54 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. dont call forum other forum users "trolls" |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-01-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Your a good |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-01-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. "where the hell do you get off lecturing others about conceal carry," |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-01-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Where did I ever |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
78. Why I carry inside any store. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-20-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
112. Well, let's see |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-10 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
90. One month and the video still isn't released. N/T |
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Bold Lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. I don't think the video still exists. The cops are in full cover up mode. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. My daughter tells me |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I hope that the least that comes out of this... |
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Bold Lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. I'm wondering, if any video still exists, if there will be audio. I don't like |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Costco stands to lose too |
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Bold Lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. You are absolutely correct. n/t |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-20-10 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
97. More information on shooting and inquest |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-21-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. "...five times in the back while he was on the ground". And those here that blamed him are silent. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-21-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. The date for the inquest hearing is now Sept.22-24... |
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Bold Lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-22-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Thanks for the update. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-20-10 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
102. Latest updates. ACLU weighs in |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-20-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. "A reported 'glitch' apparently caused the store's surveillance hard drives to fail" |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-20-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. As someone who has seen first hand... |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-20-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Odds are......... |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-20-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I don't doubt any of that... |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-21-10 07:55 AM Response to Reply #108 |
113. Possible, but suspicious. |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-21-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. You are correct... |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-21-10 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
115. LVPD COSTCO Shooting Inquest Begins Tomorrow |
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