Uniformed Chicago officer is shot, killed

[MichaelHarris]

"Bailey was in his uniform shining his prized black Buick when he was attacked about 6 a.m., a police source said. He identified himself as an officer before exchanging gunfire with at least one of the men, the source said, citing early reports."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-0719-cop-killed-20100718,0,1165768.story

he was wearing his gun yet it did him no good. This is the reality of concealed carry, bad guys are ready to shoot, you aren't.

[X_Digger]

1. "reality" eh? I see your anecdote and raise you one

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/628167/man-at-atm-fires-back-at-would-be-armed-robber

CHARLOTTE -- Police say a man shot a would-be robber Thursday night at an east Charlotte ATM.

According to police, the man was attempting to use a Cash Points ATM on Eastway Drive at North Tryon Street around 11 p.m. A suspect seemingly saw that as an opportunity and tried to rob the victim at gunpoint.

However, that victim was also armed. He shot the suspect twice in the leg. Police officials report that suspect suffered non-life-threatening injuries.

re your comment re concealed carry- from the article: "Bailey was in his uniform" -- I kind of doubt he was carrying concealed, in uniform.

[sharesunited]

2. This story illustrates the prevalence of guns in the hands of the public. Not good.

[Better Today]

3. "the public"??? The bad guys get guns regardless of whether "the public" are allowed to.

[sharesunited]

5. Do guns come off the assembly line bound for the bad guys?

No, the supply chain is all "legit" until a unit takes bad turn and falls into the wrong hands.

In other words, the very prevalence of guns in American society is the problem.

Ultimately, every unit produced is accessible to anyone.

Thanks 2nd Amendment! And thank YOU Supreme Court for your willful misinterpretation thereof!

[Better Today]

14. Except that everywhere I've lived where guns are easy to obtain, the crime is less than

in places where they are not allowed or are very hard to obtain. Go figure.

Violence will occur with or without guns, even lethal violence. Guns and gun ownership are not the problem.

[sharesunited]

19. My experience is precisely the opposite. Guns embolden crime and cause people to make bad choices.

[cowman]

21. Then try to answer this

why do the vast majority of street cops support a citizens right to own and carry guns? And I'm not talking about the cop-o-crats. Are the cops wrong? Or just maybe you are living in the past and wishing for a utopia that is never going to happen

[sharesunited]

22. The moment of conversion for an officer comes when he is fatally shot.

It is easy to be pro gun until you are dying from a bullet wound.

That's when everyone "comes to Jesus." So to speak.

[cowman]

23. Over the years

I've treated hundreds of GSW and my belief in the 2nd Amend has never been shaken, but you just keep believing what you want to believe, you are in the tiny minority, 81% of americans believe the 2nd Amend means an individual right to keep and bear arms, so your argument is done.
BTW your post is bullshit, law abiding citizens don't shoot cops.

[sharesunited]

26. Yes, of course, it is axiomatic that shooting a peace officer is unlawful.

It is likewise axiomatic that once you accept that guns somehow belong in the hands of the general public, they will be used to shoot peace officers.

After treating so many GSW and not coming to Jesus yourself, I can only say that you are a slow learner.

[cowman]

27. nope not a slow learner

a believer in the BoR, that includes your 1st Amend right to post your wrongheaded views.

[sharesunited]

31. You attribute too much power to my views if you think I can inflict death with them.

Sesame Street stuff.

One of these things is not like the others.

The 2A. Does Not Fit.

[Katya Mullethov]

32. Not until you get your way

Then it will be a bath of blood .

[cowman]

33. I don't attribute anything to you

except your right to post and say your wrongheaded views.
Don't flatter yourself.

[sharesunited]

34. Then why point to ME as illustrating some kind of equivalency between the 1A and 2A?

Unless your point is that I couldn't express my opinion unless I also have the power to shoot those who would censor me?

But that doesn't make sense. Like you, I am a guest here and am subject to having any of my comments deleted for any or no reason.

[cowman]

35. My point is

that you either believe in the BoR or you don't. You don't get to pick and choose what gets to stay and what gets to go.

[sharesunited]

37. You're correct that I don't get to pick. But the judiciary does.

And an enlightened judiciary will fillet and sauter that anachronism which you inexplicably hold so sacrosanct in its inedible form.

For the good of the nation.

[Hoopla Phil]

38. You don't get to "fillet" a portion of the BoR, period. That is why there is an amendment

process built into it. You don't ignore something you don't like, you change it following the rules laid out.

[sharesunited]

39. That would be the political route. It is much less efficient.

An enlightened Court drags society forward kicking and screaming, but ultimately for its own good.

Shelly v. Kramer predated the Civil Rights Act by sixteen years and Brown v. Board of Ed. predated it by eleven.

The judiciary leads the way because the People and their elected representatives are too fearful, ignorant and bigoted to make much progress on their own.

[Hoopla Phil]

40. Irregardless of your obfuscation. The judiciary cannot "fillet" out a part of

the constitution. There are rules to change the constitution, follow them. Any judiciary member that believes as you do has failed to honor their oath and should be impeached.

[Hoopla Phil]

41. That is not a "political rout" that is the law as it is written. Too bad it is

difficult, it is supposed to be. Follow the law, don't make it up.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

48. Judges

Because elections are just so-o-o-o 1789-ish.

[PavePusher]

25. So now you claim to know the last thoughts of the dead?

Really, you need help.

[sharesunited]

29. Does the final thought instead go How Thankful I Am For The Right Of The Public To Own Guns?

That wouldn't make sense.

No, it must certainly be more in the nature of Help I've Been Shot, Oh How I Detest Guns And Bullets! Why Did I Ever Think People Should Have Them? Goodbye. Goodbye.

[cowman]

30. Riiiiight

you just get more and more delusional with each post.
You really ought to have a coke and a smile

[rrneck]

36. Ah. That's what was missing.

You had to get Jesus in there.

:rofl:

[rrneck]

24. Explain, IN CONCRETE TERMS, how they do that. nt

[Francis Marion]

42. ...which makes Zurich the 'Chicago' of Europe, of course.

Thankfully, despite your premise, Zurich is quite a pleasant place.

Culture, education, and a social compact of mutual trust and respect are the relevant factors in how guns are used.

[cowman]

18. Here let me fix that for you

Thank you 2nd Amend and Thank You SCOTUS for the correct interpertation thereof.
All better

[one-eyed fat man]

45. Yes, some guns certainly do.

Here is a gun that is no zip gun built in garage by a dimwit with a Dremel and hacksaw.


This is a professionally produced firearm, from a factory in a former East-bloc country. They have been floating around Europe for the past ten years and about their only tip-off is they are a bit dated looking as a phone. The German Polizei have had at least three police involved shootings where a criminal had tried to avoid arrest with one of these phones.

So far there have been no reports of similar "phones" turning up in the North America, but Interpol has had bulletins out concerning their existence for ten years.

While machine tools certainly make it easier, a perfectly servicable gun can be built using only hand tools and muscle power. It is done in the Khyber pass every day. Just because you can't build a fire with flint and steel doesn't mean it can't be done.

[X_Digger]

20. No, scaresunited also believes that drug prohibition works, too.

Cross my heart, he does. What a wonderful world he must live in.

[Better Today]

28. Well that explains alot.

[proteus_lives]

8. Hey liar, ever going to answer that PM?

[slackmaster]

46. "The public" is racist code-speak for black people and other minorities

:nuke:

[inenemyterritory]

4. Whoa, How can you say this

is a result of concealed carry when it is not even in effect in Chicago??????????????


We do ourselves no good by not using the facts!!

I do not like this tragedy at all but we need to be open and up front. Yes, I do support gun rights, not to the point of CC though.

[proteus_lives]

6. "This is the reality of concealed carry, bad guys are ready to shoot, you aren't."

Ignorant.

[Hoopla Phil]

7. was shot . . . after an overnight shift guarding Mayor Richard Daley's house.

How very interesting.

My condolences to his family. I wish there was a way to keep bad guys from doing bad things. Guess this would not be in the gun forum had the perps used knives, oh wait a sec. . .

[Hoopla Phil]

9. He identified himself as an officer before exchanging gunfire

Good thing us mere citizens don't have to go through those motions.

[Hoopla Phil]

10. Bailey's son, Michael, was home, grabbed one of his father's guns and ran outside to defend his dad,

Interesting.

[Hoopla Phil]

11. Three guns were found at the scene, one of them belonging to Bailey

officers are seeking an older-model tan Ford pickup truck that may have bullet holes on the driver side


To me there is a lot to be said to be able to fight back and at least have a fighting chance. How many citizens of Chicago do not?

[Hoopla Phil]

12. The Bailey and Wortham shootings have striking similarities.

Wortham's killers also tried to rob him, attempting to steal his motorcycle. Wortham's father, a retired Chicago police officer, came to his son's aid. He retrieved his gun inside the home and shot at his son's assailants.


So many interesting tidbits in this article.

[Hoopla Phil]

13. "It's devastating. ... It's like a war out here.

"How do you convince people to stay in a community when you have armed police officers shot down?" Lyle said. "I never thought that in my life it would be this way."



The culmination of years of gun control that has left the citizens at the mercy of the armed criminal.

[Hoopla Phil]

15. Humm, this may have been a targeted hit after all.

Bailey, vice president of the 74th Street Evans block club, was helping plan a block party for senior citizens. Members of the club were concerned about the three abandoned two-story homes on the block.

Ryane Cook, the president of the club, said he and Bailey talked daily about how to respond to the area's recent violence and crime.

"Being a Chicago police officer, he gave us a lot of insight on getting trespassers arrested, filing complaints," Cook said.



The tidbits in this article are very interesting.

Edit to add another related quote from the article:

Other residents said Bailey was an inspiration in the community.

[doc03]

16. I see nothing about CCW in the Tribune report

so why make this a concealed carry argument? Do they even have concealed carry in Chicago? Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the entire US from what I hear, how did the shooters legally obtain a gun? I think this proves the point that taking law abiding citizens gun rights from them doesn't stop crime.

[friendly_iconoclast]

17. -1 to you for assumption of facts not in evidence.

No mention whatsoever of concealed carry in the linked article.

[Taitertots]

43. No one ever said it was a guarantee

Someone died in a car crash while wearing their seat belt, you better run and cut your's out of the car because it won't save your live.

[jeepnstein]

44. I'm betting it was a hit.

And I'm also betting it was sanctioned by someone with a criminal history. So what's the answer? Should we just run away and abandon some neighborhoods to the gangs and hope it doesn't spread? I'm thinking the answer is "no".

I've been the target of a hit before. It's not pleasant. I was targeted because I had the audacity to enforce a law that basically said you can't stomp on someone's head until their eyeballs pop out of their sockets. Some criminals know no boundaries.

[DonP]

47. Less to do with Chicago (still existing) Gun Ban - More to do with Daley ...

... leaving the CPD short by over 1000 officers.

He has left the police now for 4 years without a contract and successfully bullied the Police Union into working with no contract on his "personal promise" of a solution.

In the meantime he has siphoned off $3.6+ million to pay for legal fees to keep a 77 year old black man in Morgan Park from owning a handgun in his own home, with more lawsuits to come after his latest round of "reasonable regulations.. Passed out no bid contracts to his "friends" and runs the city like a private fiefdom.

It's not getting better either. Police retirements are up by over 35% over prior year and they can't put enough new cops through the academy to make up for the shortfall. So the police presence is going to get even thinner than it is now. More people in the Hispoanic and A-A communities are saying what everyone has known for years. They have "illegal" guns in their homes and thy will use them to defend themselves and their family.

Of course by every state, county and city law the handguns that killed three officers in the last 3 weeks are illegal, with the exception of Officer Soderburgh, that was shot in the parking lot of the local station with his own gun.

And that's why Daley is pushing to ban rifles with handgrips and magazines over 10 rounds. Makes so much sense.

He can't/won't put cops on the street, but you have no right to protect yourself without paying him $100 per gun, and wait 5 or 6 months while they put some kind of program together.