Chicago PD Permit Process

[one-eyed fat man]

Now described on their web site. There is 5 pages of forms to fill out in order to legally register a firearm, and also with that five hours of training. They’ll also fingerprint you at the time of the application.

https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/About%20CPD/Firearm%20Registration

They are only open from 8:30 a.m. to 3:30pm each day. Good luck getting your permit if you have a job. Better luck if you’re poor and can’t afford to take a day off.

The application requires the license number of the State certified instructor. That particular ‘license’ from the IL Dept of Professional Regulation (DPR) has no number, so the form cannot be completed even if one has the requisite training from a certified instructor.

That will get that worked out after a few more expensive and time consuming lawsuits.

Daley is a snake, it's not his money he's spending. He's got his bodyguards and both he and the alderman have their uniquely enshrined right to carry concealed. Something none of their subjects are worthy enough to do.

[damntexdem]

1. Good work, Chicago!

I certainly hope that the courts accept this.

Chi-town can do!

[one-eyed fat man]

3. I see you approve

of the Captain John Yossarian school of public policy. Can't apply without a license number and the State does not issue license with a number?

Suppose we substitute another angle. You have the right to an abortion, BUT the city won't allow a clinic?

Do you really think the gang-bangers and criminals in Chicago give a ratshit about what you think, any law or that idiot Daley?

You certainly feel that Hizzoner can afford to spend more of Chicago's money on lawyers to fight this?

Are you related to Daley and part of his nephew's law firm too?

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[Statistical]

5. An impossible to complete application. Yup sounds like your idea of "reasonable" gun control.

If no applications are ever completed then I guess that means nobody wants a firearm.

Plus the working poor don't have the same level of rights as those with ability and time to take off from work. I mean treating people unfairly under the law is a progressive stance.

"We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created unequal, and rights are granted by the state according to ones station in life".

[Callisto32]

13. You approve of..

a method of registration that CANNOT be completed, creating a de facto ban?

A ban just ruled illegal/unconstitutional by the SCOTUS.

And you think the courts will accept it?

Now gets my vote for funniest post evah!

[cognoscere]

2. So, if the instructors' licenses have no numbers,

and no number was entered on the application, wouldn't that be correct? Anyone want to try it as a test case?

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. Five pages to fill out?

I get that many in a doctor's office.

[spin]

6. I can sense racism in the process ...

if you are a rich white dude in a suit and tie, your application will pass scrutiny far easy than some Black dude with dreads.

But the roots of gun control are racist, so that should be no surprise.

[Glassunion]

8. Not racist... Classist.

The cost of ownership of a single legal firearm in the City of Chicago under the new rules.
Firearm: $300
Firearm Permit: $100 (every 3 years)
Firearm Permit Requirement #1. FOID Card: $10
Firearm Permit Requirement #2. Firearms training Classroom 4hrs: $240
Firearm Permit Requirement #3. Firearms training Range Time 1hr: $60
Firearm Permit Requirement#4. Certificate from an optometrist/ophthalmologist: $50
Firearm Registration: $15 (annually)
Firearm Registration Requirement #1. FOID Card
Firearm Registration Requirement #1. Certificate from an optometrist/ophthalmologist (annually)
Firearm Registration Requirement #2. Firearms training Classroom 4hrs
Firearm Registration Requirement #3. Firearms training Range Time 1hr
Time off work, 3hrs at minimum wage: $22.50
Travel outside of the city to training center: $40

One time costs = $640
Annual Costs = $65
Tri-Annual Costs = $100
10 Year Costs = $10
Lost labor: $22.50 (per year?)
Total upfront cost: $837.50
For a person making minimum wage and taking home about $212.00 a week, this would be impossible. It’s a nice legal way to keep “those people” from having a firearm.

P.S. At this point the gun is still worthless. It still needs ammunition, cleaning supplies, etc...


My first purchased handgun used Glock 26: $300.00
Background Check Fee: Dealer waved it. He wanted a new customer.
License to Carry: $52
Time off work to get the License: None (took 15 minutes of my lunch)

Total cost to own and use in my home: $300
Additional Cost to carry: $52
Annual Costs: A billion friken dollars spent on ammo reloading, cleaning supplies, range time, etc...

[spin]

11. An annual certificate from an optometrist/ophthalmologist ...

For a handgun you can only have inside your house?

I wonder if you need the same thing for a driver's license in Chicago, and if not, why. It would make a lot more sense to require this for drivers than handgun owners.

[Glassunion]

12. Yeah. I almost shit when I saw that on the back of the permit.

I understand it to a point.

Like at motor vehicle they give you a quick eye test. If you have glasses, they assume you are under the care of an eye doc, and are ok to dive and just put a restriction on your DL.

They do not require a medical document (privacy) proving your eyes good/bad health. What business is it of Chicago's if I have an eye issue? If I can read a chart in their office, I should be good to go.

My thinking is that it can be a point of denial.

"Sorry, you are too blind without your glasses to own a firearm... Why yes we do validate parking... Drive safe!"

[slackmaster]

16. Because of my lazy eye (amblyopia), I had to get a certificate from my ophthalmologist to get...

A California Driver License in 1974. I could not pass the simple eye test with my bad eye. It was very frustrating when I was young. The stupid DMV employees would always make me try to pass the test, and I had to tell them there was a letter on file at the main office in Sacramento.

Eventually they stopped bugging me about it. I don't know if that requirement is still in place.

[Glassunion]

17. I remember an older radio bit up in Boston...

They had a guy who was blind, 100% go and renew his DL. He went in with a buddy who walked him through the process. That was the 3rd time he renewed it after becoming blind.

Priceless.

[Callisto32]

14. And COPS!

ESPECIALLY Daley's personal entourage.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

15. Both actually: Racist and Classist

Depends on the location historically, though today its often both.

[virginia mountainman]

7. This is a good thing..

Daley, please continue being hard nosed....It will make it so much easier to slap you down in court, and STRIKE DOWN onerous registration schemes, in ALL the states.....

...This is exactly what will happen...

And the Chicago Taxpayers, will be putting steak and lobster on Alan Gura's table for decades to come.

[Statistical]

9. Exactly. Some people don't realize that you can't sue without standing.

Often marginal lawsuits are very dangerous.

Say VA has a CCw fee of $100. someone sues saying it is Unconstitutional because it is taxing a right. The court likely will rule narrowly and if they lose the case it will be narrow. "$100 fee is not Unconstitutional". They just set back RKBA struggle. While the court didn't say all fees are Unconstitutional what has now been established is a minimum guaranteed level of infringement. Now maybe $1000 fee is Unconstitutional but we don't know. The precedent stands. In every state where the fee is less than $100 expect the Brady crowd to bump the fees up to at least $100 (maybe they go $150 - $200 to push the line a little).


With Chicago it is the exact opposite. Daley is lobbing slow pitches right over the plate. By making the burden some overwhelmingly onerous it all but grantees a win. The court may decided narrowly but maybe they decide a little more broadly. Essentially bringing the line down on what is Unconstitutional without risk. Daley is an idiot and he will personally do more to repeal gun control than anything the NRA could EVER achieve on their own.

[Glassunion]

10. Good news for some citizens of Chicago who sign up for training...

Bring the kids. No need for finding a sitter while you leave town for your training.

A local area training center is offing the following:
We understand that students are individuals and therefore require courses detailed to their expectations and /
or skill levels. We offer many structured programs but we pride ourselves on being flexible to support the
needs of our students. Our Instructors welcome the first time shooter.


Firearm Safety for Children

It is the responsibility of parents and concerned adults to teach their children what to do if they
come across a firearm. The NRA's Eddie Eagle program teaches children to STOP, DON'T
TOUCH, and LEAVE THE AREA, and TELL AN ADULT. The Eddie Eagle Program neither
offers nor asks for any value judgment concerning firearms. Like safety lessons concerning
swimming pools, electrical outlets, matchbooks and household poisons, Eddie Eagle's safety lesson
is one that children should not miss. With firearms found in about half of all American households,
it's a stance that makes sense. Just as Smoky Bear teaches children not to play with matches,
Eddie Eagle teaches them that firearms should not be touched. The child will watch a brief
animated video and will receive a coloring book. Other items may be distributed depending on
what we have in our inventory at the time.

NAME REMOVED (I'm not here to plug) feels so strongly about this program and the safety of our children that it is being
offer at NO CHARGE.

Seems smart to me. If you are going to have a firearm, may as well take advantage of the class for your kids.