Chicago - "Son of 80-year-old who shot burglar: 'He protected his family'"

[DonP]

I wonder how long before Daley has this man arrested for violating his gun laws. Maybe he'll threaten to shove a gun up his ass and fire it too, to prove how "effective" it is.

Obviously, according to Daley, we can't have these citizens able to defend themselves in their own bedroom against an armed intruder shooting at him.

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Last November, someone broke into the home of the 80-year-old Army veteran in East Garfield Park and made off with $100 in cash.

The man vowed never again to be a victim of crime -- and bought a gun.

Early this morning, he used it to kill a burglar who tried to break into the home as he and his 83-year-old wife and their 12-year-old great-grandson slept about 5:20 a.m., according to police and family.

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The door was locked, so the burglar tried twice to break in through a back window -- the couple's bedroom window, the son said. At some point, the burglar fired a shot and the elderly man fired back, according to police and the family.

"He saw daddy, shot first and my father shot back. He was protecting himself. He didn't have any other options."

"I'm so glad no one got injured in my family," the son said.

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The homeowner's granddaughter said friends and neighbors are heralding her grandfather as a hero. "You have to protect your family and the things you spent your entire life getting," she said.

The homeowner is a retired Army veteran who served in the Korean War, while his wife is a retired nurse who also worked as a monitor on a bus for disabled children. They've been married for 60 years and have lived in the same house for more than 40 years.

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[katzenjammers]

1. Some day the thugs will get the message. Or die trying...

either way works for me.

[madrchsod]

2. daley has more problems than picking on old men....

he`s got a really big problem brewing on the near north beaches....a really big problem.

[sharesunited]

3. 80 year old man forced to buy gun to defend himself against gun culture.

A burglar, emboldened by his possession of a gun, invaded the home of an elderly couple and their great grandchild on the west side of Chicago.

The 80-year-old man of the house, forced into a guns-as-solution-to-guns lifestyle due to the nation's affection for guns and ammo, had armed himself to shoot armed intruders.

He didn't want to have to kill anyone. But the widespread proliferation of guns and ammo in the hands of the general public as the result of pro gun special interests, had made life with a gun a necessity for the elderly couple.

[friendly_iconoclast]

4. So what emboldens burglars who don't posess guns?

Does your animist theory of gun ownership have an explanation?

[sharesunited]

5. They are ordinarily not a threat which requires response by firearm.

Proliferation of guns and ammo provides the fundamental basis for the story as it reads.

[PavePusher]

6. "They are ordinarily not a threat which requires response by firearm."

That is patently untrue.

As has been demonstrated here many times.

I invite you to retract your falsehood.

[sharesunited]

8. You only regard it as a falsehood if, for some reason, you love guns and ammo.

It is incumbent upon you to explain why the proliferation of guns and ammo should be a generalized ethic for society.

[cowman]

23. Well so far

you're right about only one thing, I do love guns and ammo, especially the articles in the magazine.

[armueller2001]

14. "They are ordinarily not a threat which requires response by firearm."

Are you suggesting that had an unarmed suspect threatened this 80 year old man, he should have "put his dukes up" and fought like a man?

[PavePusher]

7. Where was Mayor D. and the police...

to provide for his security?

Hmmm....?

[sharesunited]

9. No gun no crime. Those are the four corners of this story.

The intruder is emboldened to commit the crime by his possession of a gun.

[PavePusher]

10. Plenty of home intrusions with other/no weapons.

Again, I invite you to retract your falsehood.

[sharesunited]

11. Why is this one reported and the others not? Conspiracy of the MSM media?

You ought say no more about what you erroneously believe.

[DonP]

15. Philosophy versus an active shooter - interesting situation

If you ever have the chance to put your theories to the test the rest of us will enjoy the stimulating conversation and debate with your heirs that will surely follow.

This man was facing an active shooter, in his own bedroom, with a wife and great grandson that he felt he should defend (what a quaint notion, protecting your family) and you have a half baked philisophical solution to the problem that no one, aside from the voices in your head, thinks will have any impact on crime.

Tell you what. I want you to take a stroll through Englewood or Chatham and explain your point of view to the citizens or that group of young men on the corner some evening. I'm sure you'll find a convert or two.

[spin]

16. The intruder could have armed with just a knife and felt emboldened ...

enough to attack an 80 year old man who walks with a cane.

The intruder had a lengthy arrest record.

The intruder was later identified by his family as Anthony Nelson, 29, who was on parole since December following a three-year prison sentence for a drug conviction, according to county and state records.

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Nelson (see prison photo at right) had a 13-page rap sheet that includes a number of drug and weapons convictions dating to 1998, according to police and court records. He lived less than a mile from the home he broke into. Neighbors recognized him from his mug shot as a man they had seen at the corner liquor store who went by the name "Big Ant."emphasis added
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/05/would-be-burglar-shot-to-death-by-west-side-resident.html

The intruder had a record of weapons convictions and had appropriate punishment been applied in those incidents, he might not have been on the street to attempt this robbery.

Gun control should be focused on criminal misuse and not on law abiding citizens. It's a lot like focusing a fire extinguisher on the base of the fire rather than the flames.

[SteveM]

27. Watch out! Now, he'll want to prohibit knives.

[SteveM]

28. Watch out! Now, he'll want to prohibit knives.

[TPaine7]

17. I feel bad for you, shares

No gun no crime. Those are the four corners of this story.

The man used the gun in the commission of his crime, true, but the gun control reality distortion field (GCRDF) has clearly had its way with your reasoning ability. Let's say the gunman wore Nike sneakers during the robbery. Would that mean "no Nikes, no crime"--that he couldn't possibly have substituted other shoes?

But I anticipate you will object that Nikes are not weapons. That would be false (many people are kicked to death with shod feet), but let's ignore that and go to other weapons. Why is it more difficult to substitute hand held weapons than to substitute shoes? You seem to be claiming that without a gun the crime of home invasion would be impossible.

The old cliche is that three elements are necessary to a crime--motive, means and opportunity. None of these would be removed by eliminating guns from society.

Motive: The criminal's motives, I would hazard a guess, had nothing to do with his gun. He wanted to steal, or to assault, or to kill, or to kidnap, or to rape or to trash the place, or to instill fear. None of these possible motives require or involve a gun. Feel free to correct me if necessary.

Means: In your dreamed-of gun free America, the invader would have many means of committing the same crime. What would stop a young fit man from having his way with an 80 yo man, his 83 yo wife and their 12 yo grandson using his bare hands? Or a knife? Or a bat? Do you really believe that there are no home invasions in "gun free" places like England--home invasions that don't use guns?! Do you actually believe that there were no home invasions before guns were invented?

"Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house." Matthew 12:29

It really seems that people in ancient times were familiar with the crime of home invasion--BEFORE THE INVENTION OF GUNS!

Opportunity: The criminal obviously had access to the house and little reason to fear physical resistance from the occupants. (Of course the family could have had something like a crossbow--an inferior, one shot weapon--but then you would be calling for a crossbow free world, wouldn't you?)

On what--besides pure religious conviction--do you base your "No gun no crime" contention?

[Travis Coates]

19. People in ancient times apparently knew the solution too

Luke 11:21 (New King James Version)
21 When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are in peace.

[krispos42]

13. A burglar, emboldened byt the near-certainty of a disarmed victim..

...invaded the home of an elderly couple and their great-grandchildren on the west side of Chicago.

The 80-year-old man of the house, forced into a gunlessness-as-a-solution-to-crime lifestyle due to the mayor's affection of blame transfer, had disarmed himself to save innocent life.

He didn't want to have to be killed by anyone. But the widespread proliferation of guns and ammo in the hands of the criminals as the result of anti-gun special interests has made life without a gun a necessity for the elderly couple.

[RamboLiberal]

18. You'd rather the elderly victim end up like this grandmother in UK

With no damn chance at all at self-defense? I'm old enough to qualify for AARP - damn if I intend to end up a victim to you idealist fools.

A burglar has been jailed for life after being convicted of strangling a Teesside woman in her bungalow then torching it to destroy the evidence.

Steven Hodgson, 33, of South Bank, Middlesbrough was convicted unanimously of murder and burglary after a six-day trial at Teesside Crown Court.

The body of Patricia Thompson was found in the burnt-out property in Hartburn, Stockton, last September.

Mr Justice Davis sentenced Hodgson to life with a minimum term of 34 years.

Hodgson had broken into the grandmother's home after researching the area on Google Maps, two days before her murder.

On sentencing, Judge Davis said Hodgson had tortured Mrs Thompson to make her tell him her bank Pin number.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/8689352.stm

Or maybe this man.

STOUGHTON — Fighting to save his wife from a knife wielding assailant cost 78-year-old Georgios Kontsas his life.

Norfolk County District Attorney William Keating said Sunday that Kontsas’ actions gave his wife, Dorothea, 74, time to get out of their home at 8 Mara Circle and go to a neighbor’s house for help.

“Had he not fended off the attack, there would have been no escape for her,” Keating said.

Kontsas, a retired businessman, was dead at the scene from stab wounds. His wife, who had knife wounds on he neck, later had surgery at a Boston hospital.

http://www.enterprisenews.com/news/x1475171814/Keating-says-elderly-Stoughton-murder-victim-died-trying-to-save-his-wife

Or this victim - wait I thought it very difficult to own a handgun in Canada - guess not if you're the criminal.

Jean Springer became Toronto's first homicide victim of 2007, but friends and loved ones maintain she was the last person they ever expected to meet such a violent demise.

Springer, who was affectionately known as "Auntie Jean", because she treated everyone like family, was shot in the head on her doorstep 2:30pm Monday at her Malvern home on Snowball Cres.

Edson Thomas has known her for 30 years, from the time she was a young school teacher in Trinidad.

"She was an extremely patient, hardworking person, the sort of person that everyone would want to be a friend of," he said. "So it was quite a shock to hear what happened."

Police say the 60-year-old mother of two was cooking New Year's Day dinner for her family when someone knocked at the door. When she answered she was shot in the face and killed.

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/25445--elderly-murder-victim-known-to-friends-as-auntie-jean

Google Elderly murder victim.

An-81-year-old woman has died due to injuries she sustained after an apparent home-invasion robbery in east Bakersfield Wednesday.

It happened around 6:30 p.m. in the 1500 block of Camino Sierra.

Authorities say 81-year-old Dorothy Pauline Session was found by her grandson, bruised and beaten.

When deputies arrived, Session told them a man and a woman broke into her home.

She was taken to Kern Medical Center where she died around 10 p.m.

http://www.kget.com/mostpopular/story/Elderly-victim-IDd-in-East-Bakersfield-home/3sJWpseD3UGrq_D1A5vA_g.cspx

[Francis Marion]

25. Don't despise one of our rights.

A libeler, emboldened by his possession of a keyboard, wrote lies about an elderly couple and their great grandchild on the west side of Chicago.

The 80-year old man of the house, forced into a type-as-solution-to-typing lifestyle due to the nation's affection for keyboards and paper, had equipped himself to type letters to refute lies.

He didn't want to have to refute lies. but the widespread proliferation of keyboards, printers, ink, and paper in the hands of the general public as the result of pro speech special interests, had made life with writing tools a necessity for the elderly couple.

[SteveM]

26. No, he used a gun to defend himself against a would-be killer. nt

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[one-eyed fat man]

20. You and his momma agree?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N370NAXEbnw&feature=player_embedded

'He was good boy! He was turning his life around! He loved his momma! Just cause he was wearing a mask, and shooting at that man after kicking his door in doesn't mean he was robbin' no body.....'

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vmpSO2BbYCE/S_2Rmr4GxmI/AAAAAAAAL2I/DCrderp-_3I/s1600/Anthong+Nelson+Dead+Home+Invader.jpg

One thing is certain though, his days robbing people at gunpoint are over. He was looking to cause trouble and he found it. I feel sorry for the people he was trying to victimize. Anthony Nelson set into motion the circumstances which resulted in his death; it was his choices and no one else's fault!

[AtheistCrusader]

21. Custody Status: Room Temperature.

Home invasions are hazardous to your health, pass it on.

[Katya Mullethov]

24. Parole officer

Pissed .

[east texas lib]

22. I notice a dead punk and a live intended victim...

You pays your money and you takes your chances. Life is often harsh for the transgressor. As it should be.