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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 03:16 PM
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Just another reminder, of how far we have come on this issue..
From the NY Times, 8-15-1993

"Without the first step of the Brady bill, we're never going to get anywhere," Ms. Brady said. "We can't waste any more time." She pointed out that the Virginia limit on multiple purchases, for example, would be unenforceable without some sort of waiting period, backed up by a computerized system that would catch those who tried to buy from several stores.

Other future measures she and her colleagues are discussing, she said, include more thorough background checks including fingerprinting of purchasers, required safety training for gun buyers and a system of "needs-based licensing," with different requirements for hunters, target shooters and security guards.


http://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/15/weekinreview/a-little-gun-control-a-lot-of-guns.html?pagewanted=all

It is good, to go thru the archives from time to time, and remember, just how gloomy the outlook for gun rights was in the early 1990's.

Like this next piece from the NY Times, 7-9-1994 aptly titled, "The Next Step for Gun Control"

The supporters of gun control need to keep moving.

Two bills that seek to do this are now before Congress. Both are sponsored by Representative Charles Schumer of Brooklyn on the House side. Both seek to build on the Brady law and the assault weapons ban with more comprehensive legislation, aimed at getting beyond the piecemeal approach of the first two measures.

One bill, co-sponsored by Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, seeks mainly to control the firearms trade. It would make it much harder to become a licensed dealer, outlaw selling firearms from car trunks and kitchen tables, demand stringent security measures for dealers and increase fees to enable the underfunded Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to do its job properly. It sets a national limit of one gun per month per buyer, and calls for a national identification card with fingerprints, a magnetic strip and a photograph.

The other bill, co-sponsored by Senator Howard Metzenbaum of Ohio, has similar provisions but goes further. It includes gun safety requirements and would outlaw a number of weapons and devices, from short-barreled shotguns and Saturday night specials to large-capacity ammunition clips.


Whichever bill eventually comes to a vote, the backers of these measures are on the right track. It is time to take a much more sweeping, unapologetic approach to the fight against the hideous toll of firearms violence in the U.S. Now is the time to begin working to forge the kind of national consensus that led to the Brady law.



http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/09/opinion/the-next-step-for-gun-control.html


I wonder, if they knew the end effect of all their lobbying, and the massive political price that was paid, would they do it again???

YES, they would, after all, Seems like many rabid supporters of gun control, have allot of "faith" that they are right, no matter the facts. They are very much like religious zealots in this respect. No matter what the numbers say, or what the facts on the ground are, they still blindly follow Sara Brady's mantra.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 03:30 PM
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 03:38 PM
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2. Nope..
Not when a belief is based on facts...
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:18 PM
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3. Wrong.
But you knew that of course.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:44 PM
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 08:03 PM
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5. Your side is the one operating on "faith", if you haven't noticed... n/t
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 08:41 PM
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6. Your side seems to take it on faith that protruding rifle handgrips are a crime problem.
When the inconvenient truth is that rifles of any type aren't a crime problem and never have been.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_20.html
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 08:49 PM
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7. And what's up with the constant

little girl "lol" tags?
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 09:12 PM
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8. I'm very encouraged by our progress in moving this issue in the correct direction. BUT,
I'd really like to see "sporting purpose" removed from current federal laws. That is such a broad brush term that needs to go. Many shooting sports use firearms that some refuse to classify a for "sporting purpose". Really sucks!
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 09:28 PM
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9. Agreed. Lift the import ban now. n/t
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 09:30 PM
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10. Awww ..look............... it's the underfunded ATF
They were quite busy pointing out to -EVERYONE ON THE PLANET - just how badly they felt additional funds were needed that year . And it appears to have worked , a case history of The Peter Principle .
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:50 AM
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11. Thank you for this post. The anti's are still crying their lies and trying to pass
unenforcable and ridiculous laws to penalize all legal gun owners under the banner of stopping violent crime.
Guns in the hands of legal, responsible persons have done more to stop crime than all of the "gun control" laws devised by these fascists.

We all know it - they don't admit it. They are like the Palins and Pauls on the right - no facts needed when we have already formed our opinions.

mark
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 12:29 PM
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12. Just a reminder...of where we have come on this issue....
And what the anit's "next step" was..
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