OKLAHOMA: Open Carry Bill Goes To Governor Brad Henry (D)

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http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=16&articleid=20100505_16_A1_OKLAHO343691

Open-carry gun bill heads to Henry

By BARBARA HOBEROCK World Capitol Bureau
Published: 5/5/2010 2:24 AM
Last Modified: 5/5/2010 5:20 AM

OKLAHOMA CITY — A bill that would allow those with concealed-carry permits to openly carry weapons is headed to Gov. Brad Henry's desk.

The House on Tuesday passed House Bill 3354 by a 74-24 vote.

"This legislation should actually reduce the chance of violence," said Rep. Rex Duncan, R-Sand Springs, the House sponsor. "A criminal is far less likely to attack once he sees a citizen is armed."

Duncan said the measure would not allow law enforcement officers to stop a person who is openly carrying a weapon and ask to see a concealed-carry permit unless they believe a crime has been committed

Gov. Henry has an NRA "A" rating.

The bill does not allow open carry by the general public. To open carry a person must have a concealed carry permit. Permit holders will have the option of carrying openly or concealed.

[shadowrider]

1. A Democrat with an NRA rating of "A". This can't be

Everyone knows the NRA is a GOP tool and they only support RW/GOP positions and politicians.

Do I really need a sarcasm tag?

P.S. The anti's lose, again

[msongs]

2. everyone has a right to open carry permits are an abomination against god n 2nd amendment lol nt

[shadowrider]

3. Unsubstantiated hyperbole

Felons cannot get a permit. Those with mental problems can't get a permit. Domestic violence charge? Forget it, no permit.

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4. He didn't use any punctuation or capitalization.. Here is what I think he meant.

Everyone has a right to open carry. Permits are an abomination against God 'n' 2nd amendment. lol nt

[shadowrider]

5. Alrighty then, that makes his argument ok

:crazy:

[PavePusher]

8. I don't think God's left an opinion on the subject yet.

The Second Amendment and the historical record prior to and after it, are pretty clear, however.

Vermont, Alaska and Arizona are getting it right.

But hey, feel free to continue posting baseless opinions and innuendo.

[Old Codger]

6. Personally

IMHO open carry does not make sense, if I were going to start shooting as has happened in malls, schools and numerous other places the first shot would go at any armed people I saw, concealed carry leaves room for doubt, of course this is just an opinion and I have no "facts" to back that idea in any way.. I have cw permits, in Oregon open carry is legal without a permit also carry a loaded weapon in plain sight in vehicle is legal, I got the concealed permits in order to carry concealed.

[shadowrider]

7. I agree open carry makes you the "first target" IF the bad guy is

intent on committing a crime. I carry concealed for that reason.

Usually though, something like this happens:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=296404&mesg_id=296404

[X_Digger]

10. Only reason I might like licensed OC is..

.. if my cover garment gets hit by a gust of wind and someone sees my carry piece before I can pull it down, I can be charged.

[Old Codger]

16. One reaon

I got my concealed was for a similar reason, if you carry a loaded weapon in car in plain sight in Oregon the minute you park and leave your car you need to hide it which immediately makes you a felon. Also I have heard of exactly what you say happening where a weapon was inadvertently partially concealed resulting in a ticket.

[PavePusher]

11. I got my CWP's to have reciprocity in multiple States...

and to have more options, though I usually carry openly.

And you are correct when you say that there is no evidence that O.C. endangers the carrier.

[GreenStormCloud]

12. If Texas had that law, there is only one place that I can think of where I would OC.

Once every two weeks I us a night walk-up ATM. I would OC while using the ATM.

At present, I use it one handed (left) while my right hand is in my pocket holding my S&W642, Crimson Trace grips. I am constantly looking around between punching buttons on the ATM. Car is backed into the space, car door is left open. When transaction is finished, shove everything into my left pocket, get in car, leave. Buckle seat bet later at stop sign.

Other than that ATM, everything else would be concealed carry.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

15. In some state open carry is the only option due to suppressive anti civil rights laws

I agree that concealed is best if it is an option.

[Euromutt]

9. Open carry only with a CCW permit? Really?

Look at it from my point of view: here I am, living in a fairly reliably "blue" state--the Democratic west outweighs the Republican east, so we have a Democratic (woman) governor, two Democratic (woman) federal senators, and the state has gone for every Democratic presidential candidate in the past thirty years except Mondale, IIRC. We're the original "shall issue" state (26 years before Florida, admittedly ignoring state that don't require CCW permits like Vermont and Alaska), we permit open carry of holstered loaded handguns and unloaded long guns.

So why is it that we latte-sipping, Subaru Outback/Toyota Prius-driving, Eddie Bauer-wearing pansies have an understanding of fundamental gun rights that exceeds that of supposedly conservative states like Texas and Oklahoma? Yes, I know, Washington prohibits private ownership of machine guns, SBRs and SBSs, but we were well ahead of the curve on permitting private citizens to go about armed with the tools of self-protection.

The interpretation I'd prefer to posit is that the conservative end of the American political spectrum isn't actually all that inclined to respect gun rights. Oh, sure, they'll pay lip service to it if it convinces the NRA to draw votes away from the Democratic candidate, but I'm far from convinced their heart is in it. Political candidates' belief in the RKBA seems to be based far more on geography than it is on party affiliation. And yet, I'd expect states that straddle the South and the South-West--like Texas and Oklahoma--to resemble either or both with regard to gun rights. And yet, they're not.

[GreenStormCloud]

13. Washington didn't go through reconstruction or Jim Crow.

Both events left their imprint on our gun laws.

[GreenStormCloud]

14. I like the idea of licensed OC.

If someone is going to carry, I like for them to have had the classes and demonstrated gun handling.

[Old Codger]

17. You bet

I do agree totally that all should have training in gun safety in every case, regardless of where or how they intend to use it....

[Hoopla Phil]

19. I agree with this line. What is reasonable restriction on CCW? Most of the

states shall issue laws have got it IMO. I do not see anything unreasonable that a person demonstrate basic ability and knowledge of force and deadly force in order to carry a side arm. I DO consider it unreasonable to stick your fingers in your ears and yell NO, NO WAY - only police yadda, yadda.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

18. Perhaps this bill is meant to alleviete "printing" or accidental "peek-a-boos"??

For example, in texas, OC is prohibited but if your legal concealed firearm prints or your gun is seen then you are inviolation of the law. For example, if you bent over to pick something up and your shirt tail rose, exposing part of a firearm, you are breaking the law (hopefully a cop didn't see it). Does Oklahoma have laws similar to texas... printing/visible firearms illegal?

Here in Ohio, if my firearm prints or becomes visible there is no breaking of laws because OC is already 100% legal.

Perhaps this Oklahoma bill is meant to alleviete "printing" or accidental "peek-a-boos" by making OC legal.
That would explain the condition that you must have a CCW - they are not making "open carry legal for everyone".