Man shoots round(ND) into ceiling at el Mirage Walmart in front of people

[RamboLiberal]

EL MIRAGE – Police took a man into custody who reportedly accidentally fired one round into the ceiling of a Walmart in front of several people.

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During the investigation, witnesses told officers 30-year-old David Walter, of Surprise, entered the store with a semi-automatic pistol in a holster. He would reportedly holster the gun and un-holster it as he walked through the store. Witnesses say the suspect ‘continually messed with’ and was manipulating the gun.

Walter was standing at the electronics counter talking to the clerk when he reportedly pulled the gun out of the
holster, removed the magazine and put it back in. The clerk got scared and said she was afraid he was going to rob her and notified the store manager.

Walter again allegedly approached a checkout lane and stood near several customers and workers as he pulled the gun from his holster. As he pulled the gun out it magazine dislodged and fell to the floor.

Walter re-inserted the magazine into the pistol and manipulated it as if loading it when the gun discharged.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Man-shoots-round-into-ceiling-at-el-Mirage-Walmart-in-front-of-people-90280642.html

This FOOL should never ever be allowed to own a gun again IMHO! I question his mental stability!

I do have to confess I wondered if he's one of those that shows up at these 2nd amendment tea party type rallies. I have nothing against open carry but I have seen some who do who by their rigs and guns I question how competent they are with their handguns. And I really think it is kind of inappropriate in normal everyday life. I think concealed is the way to go.

[Statistical]

1. He should be charged with brandishing. It is a felony and then he will never own a gun again. n/t

[shadowrider]

41. Correction

He should be charged with brandishing. It is a felony and then he will never LEGALLY own a gun again.

Fixed it.

I'd be willing to bet your paycheck this guy would break the law and illegally acquire one. After all, bad guys by definition don't obey laws.

[monmouth]

2. Needed/wanted to be noticed. No one paid attention to him as a kid..n/t

[Deep13]

3. Is this him?

[RamboLiberal]

5. Here's our Moron or Moran

[Deep13]

8. His Uncle Dad must be so proud! nt

[rfranklin]

7. He misspelled it....M...O...R...A...N!

Geez!

[Ian David]

4. That is NOT how you kill The Wal-Mart.

[NavyDavy]

6. probably one of the many unstable teabaggers/militia who wants

to bring their guns to DC....

[cowman]

9. As long as their not

breaking the law why should you have a problem with it. BTW, I work with a bunch of Tea Party members and they are the nicest guys and gals you have ever met and I place my life in their hands every time I'm on duty. Quit with the stereotyping, they have every right to carry if they are doing it legally

[peacetalksforall]

11. Distinction = gun for protection ... gun for show-off ... gun because

the person fears and hates excessively ... or gun because the gun owner hates the government - meaning - hates himself.

[cowman]

19. So what if

someone hates the govt. As long as they are not doing anything illegal, like this idiot, why should that have a bearing on their 2nd Amend rights?

[peacetalksforall]

32. The distinction is between protection and all the others.. A person would want

to think that carrying for protection is done with a mind set of responsibility. All the others have a track record or irresponsibility. The motivation is off kilter. , motivation, macho, and paranoia.

It is what is wrong with the law - it doesn't protect other people from the weapon plus mindset and the other circumstances.

The original intent of guns for game and protection is a long cry from where we are now. Excessive power being brought into politics. Or should I say 'brought out' for politics and political events.

[PavePusher]

40. The origonal history of the Second Amendment had everything to do with...

"Excessive power being brought into politics."

Please reveiw your early American history.

[SteveM]

43. I think you have an over-wrought sense of what laws are for...

"It is what is wrong with the law - it doesn't protect other people from the weapon plus mindset and the other circumstances."

Laws are not designed to protect you from "mindsets" and "other circumstances," whatever those are.

Guns were for more than "game and protection." They were also to enable citizens to resist tyranny (from within or without). I don't see much in the way of "power" when one straps on a gun for purposes of a demonstration. If you feel threatened it may be because the far right knows you better than you know yourself: always fearing a bully or the man-with-a-gun. I don't worry about such. As I told one loud-mouth who complained of liberals taking away the RKBA: "That can't be! All my guns are liberals."

[SteveM]

42. I'm not worried. All my guns are Liberal. nt

[one-eyed fat man]

10. "David Walter, of Surprise"

Boy, there is an idiot that got one! I am as pro-gun as it gets, but when there is such a demonstrable level of buffoonery involved I think stocks and public humiliation are in order. It is idiots who behave this way who are poster children for those who hate guns, their owners and use morons who commit idiocy like this to tar everyone else.

[sharesunited]

12. As I have said before, and as was borne out here, guns cloud judgment.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

14. Are you suggesting this guy had good judgement BEFORE he strapped on his gun?

I'm willing to bet this individual does not have good judgement even without guns.
In fact, I'd bet the gun has little to do with his poor judgement.

[cowman]

20. Another whimsical post from SU

0 points awarded

Gee, I've been carrying concealed and open since Nevada has allowed it and I sure as hell don't remember my judgement being clouded

[armueller2001]

21. HAHAHAHA

Does that mean knives, baseball bats, and cars cloud judgment too? Or is it just guns that have the magical sorcery power over people?

Can you please go into greater detail the scientific mechanism by which guns alter people's minds? Does a tin-foil hat deflect the waves? Maybe that's why police officers have to wear hats! To repel the evil rays of the guns they are carrying!!

But then again, the rays would just emit in all directions and cloud the judgment of everyone around them too...

[sharesunited]

22. It's all internal. Latent frailties are revealed and magnified. Small cracks into fissures.

I'm cool, I'm powerful, I'm invincible. Because I have this convenient and effective means of inflicting injury and death.

[armueller2001]

27. So how do police officers

block themselves from the internal killing desires?

Why do people not get the same killing desires with cars or other objects capable of inflicting injury and death?

[Zenlitened]

31. Re: "Why do people not get the same killing desires with cars?"

Not to derail the thread, but the answer is: Many do.

There are many, many drivers out on the road using their vehicles to take out their frustrations with the world, on the world.

IMO, the majority of people in the USA today lack the self-discipline, sound judgment and sense of responsibility needed to carry a weapon.

Or drive one.

[cowman]

29. Congrats

You have just surpassed any other post you have made as the most asinine comment here. You really have no clue about what you allegedly think you know.
I think you should be awarded 100 points for lack of knowledge

[friendly_iconoclast]

33. So did the Ring of Sauron. That means there's a Tolkienist School of weapons control.

Congratulations, shares. You've discovered a new delusion.

[Katya Mullethov]

45. I do not think this is new

One of his predecessors , a Harry Anslinger used a very similar angle when out on the demagogue trail . It's all so retro in an unsophisticated 1930's propaganda sorta way .

[David West]

39. Guns cloud judgment? Seriously?

I've been regularly carrying a gun openly since the day I turned 18. The only time I ever even TOUCH my gun in public is to periodically and subtly brush the safety to insure it hasn't been inadvertently disengaged (I carry a Springfield 1911 Operator with extended ambidextrous safety levers). I even carry my wallet, cell phone, and knife on my weak side so I'm not constantly having to reach for my gun side.

When I carry a gun I'm extremely conscious of my surroundings, actions, and movements. My judgment isn't clouded at all.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

13. Isn't it illegal to uneccessarily manipulate/handle a gun - even with a permit/allowance to carry?

[X_Digger]

16. Yup, He would have been locked up for brandishing without the ND. n/t

[damntexdem]

15. I guess that's better than doing it behind their backs.

But an "accident" like this is akin to "accidentally" causing a fire by lighting a cigarette while pumping gas. Or an "accident" caused by driving the wrong way on a freeway, with a .20 blood alcohol content. This person should be protected from future 'accidents' by being banned from possessing guns.

[X_Digger]

18. Sounds like he will be. n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

17. Bull, he was getting ready to rob the place.

Probably just had confidence problems actually doing it.

There is no justification whatsoever for any of that crap, let alone the ND.
There is no other explanation, he was trying to gin up the courage to rob the store.

[RamboLiberal]

23. Maybe - but none of us are mind readers

Could have been just an idiot. Don't know too many robbers who open carry in a holster. Or who spend a great amount of time manipulating their gun in a store with umpteen surveillance cameras. If he was planning a robbery then he is a big a MORAN robber as he is a gun carrier.

[d_r]

25. I agree

He was working up courage to rob the place, imho. You can't convict someone for thought crimes of course.

[RamboLiberal]

28. I wonder

Robbers don't usually open carry. And he has to be a real doofus to spend so much time in store & talking to clerk when Walmart has umpteen surveillance cameras.

[AtheistCrusader]

35. As a parole officer buddy of mine used to say:

"We don't catch 'em cause they're smart".

[shedevil69taz]

44. Sounds similar to something an MP friend of mine said

"We don't usually catch the smart ones. Sometimes we'll get lucky and they'll slip up, but its usually the dumb criminals we catch."

[Name removed]

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[slackmaster]

26. He needs some basic training

Gun safety should be taught in public schools.

[Action]

30. Who will get killed first?

Who besides me thinks that the right will not be happy until someone gets killed? The right is destroying our country.

[friendly_iconoclast]

34. You might want to rethink your blame of the wingers for open carry:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x263537

[NewMoonTherian]

36. I wouldn't jump straight to mentally unstable.

He just has a profound lack of sense, and was never taught how to responsibly handle a gun. If anything, this illustrates a need for more education. Maybe we shouldn't spend our children's formative years desperately trying to insulate them from the existence of firearms.

[Pavulon]

37. I bet on drunk as shit..(nt)

[one-eyed fat man]

38. Well, a couple things are true.............

It is not possible to engineer anything to be fool proof because no matter how brilliant the engineer, there will ALWAYS be a more ingenious fool. Put another way, artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity!