California lawmaker would outlaw 'open carry' gun right

[oneshooter]

A California lawmaker has stepped into a growing gun rights debate by introducing legislation that would essentially outlaw what's called the "open carry" of unloaded weapons on public property.
The measure, which was first introduced last month but is not expected to have its first hearing until April, is meant to address the growing “open carry” movement, in which some gun owners have taken to meeting in coffee shops, parks, and restaurants while wearing holstered weapons to raise awareness about gun rights.

“People should be free from the fear and the potential for violence firearms represent,” said Democratic Assembly Member Lori Saldaña of San Diego, in a statement. “These displays of firearms can create potentially dangerous situations.”
Assembly Member Saldaña said she was compelled to introduce the bill to limit the open carry law in California, which is one of at least 38 states that allows the display of unconcealed weapons, following a gathering of some 60 armed open carry advocates at a southern California beach.
“People were understandably concerned,” she said. “The police were called and the situation became frightening for the families simply enjoying a day at the beach.”
Stanford University law professor Robert Weisberg, an expert on gun laws, says it's unlikely that the California legislature would endorse Saldaña’s bill. “The great majority from both political parties don’t want to cross the gun lobby,” he says.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0310/California-lawmaker-would-outlaw-open-carry-gun-right

Not my state, no comments.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[onehandle]

1. Keep it up, open carry 'advocates.'

The backlash cometh.

[TPaine7]

5. But should the grizzly really fear the fieldmouse?

Stanford University law professor Robert Weisberg, an expert on gun laws, says it's unlikely that the California legislature would endorse Saldaña’s bill. “The great majority from both political parties don’t want to cross the gun lobby,” he says.

Of course the "gun lobby" has very few votes, it's the PEOPLE the politicians fear--you know, the ones with the right to keep and BEAR arms.

But aside from that obvious distortion, the analysis is sound.

[friendly_iconoclast]

13. Sometimes, the less-bright fieldmice actually *help* the grizzly:

Last line of the article:

In some ways, Weisberg says, provoking a Democratic California lawmaker to go after open carry laws is a boon for the movement. “They wanted a generic California liberal to attack them," he says, "and they have succeeded in that regard.”

Cui bono?

[Katya Mullethov]

6. Your powers of social divination

Are rivaled only by your skill at skimming the news . Please to continue with highly informative OP's commrade .

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. That poor p***k has been waiting to be served for a week now.

Maybe it's the hardware that's keeping the Starbuck's clerk away.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[rrneck]

8. He doesn't understand that Starbucks doesn't serve Budweiser. nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. It looks like he wants a drink of water, according to the sign he's carrying

[PavePusher]

12. Not according to the article.

Or did you miss that part?

Not to mention Unconstitutional as all hell.

[-..__...]

14. Give that man a drink.

"For the times, they are a changing"...

1960...




2010...

[proteus_lives]

16. Nice of you to use your dishonest photo.

The fail is strong with you.

[GreenStormCloud]

25. The backlash began in 1994 and is still lashing. N/T

[SteveM]

26. They will keep it up as long as Saldana keeps picking at the scab. nt

[YllwFvr]

32. It sure is coming!

I mean gosh! Open carry is spreading like wildfire! Open carriers have saved a few lives too. Of course some, like the man you pictured, have been a little out there. But thats how it works. Think Rosa Parks. A radical step is required to forward a radical idea.

Like the gay movement. Flamboyant in-your-face gays might have made people uncomfortable but it got the message out for all to see. It did them some good too.

BTW, open carry has become much more accepted, and laws have been clarified across the country to allow OCers more legal breathing room. Like the pa attorney generals notice that its legal. Oh and wisconsin too.
I dont see it going away anytime soon.


Proud to Openly Carry!!!

[safeinOhio]

33. About that quote on the sign.

They always leave out the rest of Thomas Jeffersons' quote about the blood of patriots..."it makes good manure"

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[TPaine7]

3. Fine

Then we can find a crime victim who has been denied a concealed carry permit by a sheriff she didn't donate to, and schedule next year's case.

I seem to remember reading something about a right to BEAR arms. There were also words to the effect that people were to enjoy equal protection of the laws--non contributing folks had equal rights with big contributors.

People actually have the right to carry loaded guns, not just clubs.

[Katya Mullethov]

4. You cant carry a club that's a " melee weapon "

Handguns are pretty much all that we have left .

[TPaine7]

11. Unloaded pistols are pitiful clubs, but clubs nonetheless. n/t

[slackmaster]

20. If California bans open carry of unloaded firearms, I'll start openly carrying my sword

[rrneck]

9. If a frog had wings

he wouldn't bump his ass every time he jumped.

[sharesunited]

15. One socially responsible legislator? She deserves praise and support.

[proteus_lives]

17. She deserves zero-points.

She wants to restrict the rights of the people who elected her.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

19. She will not be reelected if she keeps up this nonsense

[slackmaster]

22. She's term-limited out of the Assembly and her term ends this year

:hi:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

23. Thanks, I had not realized she was termed out

[SteveM]

28. Oh, she farts, leaves, and slams the car door on the rest of us?

Other Democrats must now explain her essence.

[slackmaster]

29. She'll hand her seat off to the next Heir Apparent

Who that is, I can't say off the top of my head.

San Diego city council member Todd Gloria is in line, but he's not quite ready for it.

Watch for Toni Atkins.

http://atkinsforassembly.com/

[SteveM]

27. The open-carry movement will lavish both upon her.

[proteus_lives]

18. Lori Saldaña deserves to be kicked out of the assembly.

She's trying to become popular by manipulating fear.

[slackmaster]

21. Her term expires this year, and she can't run again

She's term-limited out. But still, I think I'll call her operatives about this issue.

http://members.cox.net/slack/images/political/Slack+Lori.jpg

[Euromutt]

24. "Can create potentially dangerous situations"

So Assemblywoman Saldaña is asserting that openly carried might cause situations that in turn might be dangerous. That's a lot of maybes.

I note she doesn't explain how openly carried firearms might result in situations that might be dangerous. Every example of a "potentially dangerous situation" that I've heard of was precipitated by someone other than the OCer. For example:

“The police were called and the situation became frightening for the families simply enjoying a day at the beach.”

The way she words that, the problem doesn't seem to have been the guys OCing, but the fact that somebody called the cops on them. And it's a safe bet that it wasn't any of the OCers who called the cops.

Moreover, it's not clear to me exactly how anyone was placed in actual danger. Essentially, Saldaña wants to outlaw open carry because some people freak out at the mere sight of a handgun being carried by someone not in uniform (including the uniform of a private security guard). But an important part of the open carry movement's agenda is to normalize the practice, to impress upon the general public that the fact that someone's openly carrying a holstered firearm is nothing to get worked up about. Most people don't freak out at the sight of a holstered handgun on a private security guard's belt; who should it be reasonable for them to freak out at the sight of a holstered handgun on the belt of a fellow citizen who isn't presenting a threat to anyone? More to the point, why should society as a whole be expected to defer to this selective freaking out?

[benEzra]

30. Completing the work of Ronald Reagan's Mulford Act...

created to keep "those people" from being able to possess firearms in public. Criminals and Important People are, of course, unaffected by such policies.

[Callisto32]

31. We simply MUST stop people from carrying awkward pieces of metal!@@@!!!

"A gun with no ammo is just an awkward club..."