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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 06:55 PM
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I have not had a good laugh lately… So I went to the Brady website…
On the Brady campaign blog I noticed one glaring similarity in their reports and statements. They can’t read and or comprehend words that have been strung together in the form of what we call “sentences”. These “meaningful linguistic units” have apparently slipped the grasp of the writers for the website.

Apparently they do not know how to take “no” as an answer. In fact, I don’t think they know how to take any answer. I went to the “Brady in the News” section, and found no less than 4 references to the Starbuck’s stories. So in my search for a laugh I started reading the posts. They link to news websites from news agencies around the country. After reading some of these news stories, I started to have my laugh…
The Brady Bunch has made the following statement...

“Starbucks hasn't taken a definitive stance on the issue.” – (CBSNews.com)

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Starbuck’s made the following statement:
“For Starbucks, the safety of our customers and partners is our paramount concern. We have existing security protocols in place to handle situations related to safety in our stores. We will continue to adhere closely to local, state and federal laws and the counsel of law enforcement regarding this issue”)


Correct me again if I am wrong, but what part of Starbuck’s statement did the Brady Bunch not understand? I seem to get it. They DO have existing security protocols in place to handle security issues. They WILL CONTINUE to adhere closely to local, state and federal laws. Correct me if I am wrong (again), but who owns the company? Starbuck’s or the Brady Campaign? Seems to me like a bunch of little brats did not get the candy they asked for, and are refusing to take mommy’s answer “because I said so”, so they are continuing to push the issue. My advice to the Brady Group… Grow up.

So what do they do? I wandered over to the Seattle Times website and found another story by Melissa Allison that opens with..
“The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence is asking people to sign a petition telling Starbucks to keep guns out of its shops, because they say they can't get a straight answer out of the Seattle company about its gun policy.”

Again the story does quote the same reply that Starbuck’s gave the Brady Group. There was however a link to the petition…

This petition is laughable.
“Dear Starbucks, You are currently allowing people to openly carry guns in your stores. I demand that you stand up for the safety of your customers and bar guns in your coffee shops. Guns don't belong in restaurants where families and children gather. Reverse your corporate decision.” - Barady Campaign Website

I have several issues with the petition; let’s break it apart a bit.

“Dear Starbucks,” I’m ok so far. Good use of letter writing skills. It’s always nice to start with a greeting.
“You are currently allowing people to openly carry guns in your stores.” As per their policy, they are adhering to the law. But they are really not allowing or refusing anything. They are in business with the general public, so they have their front doors unlocked and welcome EVERYONE into their stores. It’s almost as if the petition is stating that Starbuck’s is discriminating against the non-gun carrying customers. I wonder if the Klan has a petition to keep blacks out of Starbuck’s? They are both protected by the constitution, local, state and federal laws, what’s the difference?
“I demand that you stand up for the safety of your customers and bar guns in your coffee shops. Guns don't belong in restaurants where families and children gather.” Oooooo! A demand mixed in with an accusation. Nice, this is how you want to deal with people. First thing that you do is make a demand. Then you accuse, try and convict other Starbuck’s customers for crimes that will not happen. Really shows intelligence on the parts of the Brady Group. But to their point, they can’t read or comprehend.

The Seattle Times article is more of an opinion piece than the news. I thought that I would have fun with it. Let’s take the article, and replace one constitutionally protected right with another…

Article and Beginning of Sarcasm:
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Black Violence is asking people to sign a petition telling Starbucks to keep blacks out of its shops, because they say they can't get a straight answer out of the Seattle company about its blacks policy. The petition has more than 15,000 signatures.
"Our California activists are responding to the activities of Black activists in the Bay Area, who noticed Black demonstrations at Peet's, California Pizza Kitchen and Starbucks," said Doug Pennington, a spokesman for the Brady Campaign.
Blacks.org describes itself as "a pro-black Internet community focused on the right to openly be black in daily American life." They sometimes meet in public places to exercise their right to carry unconcealed guns.
When the Brady Campaign asked each company for its Blacks policies, Peet's Coffee and California Pizza Kitchen promptly issued notices that blacks are not allowed -- either at all or on display -- in their shops unless you're a police officer.
Starbucks hasn't done that. "So far, Starbucks hasn't said what seems to be an obvious kind of policy, that 'no blacks are allowed in our stores unless you're a police officer,'" Pennington said.
In a written statement, the company said, "For Starbucks, the safety of our customers and partners is our paramount concern. We have existing security protocols in place to handle situations related to safety in our stores. We will continue to adhere closely to local, state and federal laws and the counsel of law enforcement regarding this issue."
Based on that, it's hard to know whether Starbucks allows blacks in shops or not. But if it's going strictly by the law, then in many states including Washington, it does allow blacks.

End of Article and Sarcasm…

Some of you may say that I am being extreme by replacing an item with a race of people. I disagree. It is plainly evident that the extreme pro-gun control group is indeed criminalizing a select group of people who have done no wrong. Not one thing wrong, yet for some reason there are those who think that honest, law-abiding people are somehow criminal for doing nothing but making a choice and exercising a right.

The Bradys just don’t seem to get it. In yet another article I read the following in response to Starbuck’s reply to the Brady Campaign:
“But Brady Campaign president Paul Helmke says this is a cop-out. "Here's the problem with that answer," he wrote on the Huffington Post this week: "Generally speaking -- and certainly in California -- businesses have the right to bar guns on their premises. It is their property and, just as they can prohibit entry by people with bare feet, they can do the same for people with guns.”


Would I just answer that statement with the original one? Starbuck’s has indeed already answered that with the statement:
“We will continue to adhere closely to local, state and federal laws and the counsel of law enforcement”.
I’m not 100% on California law, however if Starbuck’s refuses entry to customers without shoes it is because of Board of Health regulations. Would this not equate to adhering to local laws?

Again I am reminded of a brat child with their fingers in their ears, screaming “I can’t hear you”, until you finally say what that little brat wants to hear. I honor Starbuck’s response, and hope that their continual answer to the Brady Bunch is “Because I said so…”.

Shakes magic 8 ball... forseeing a lot of drive by unrecs... And pissing and moaning about being sarcastic with the article...

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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:11 PM
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1.  I stay off of the Brady website
There is enough :puke: on the net without deliberately looking for it.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 09:20 PM
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23. It's like a train wreck. It's horrible, but I can't look away.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:39 PM
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:58 PM
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8. Please do elaborate
On how I am somehow a nut in need of therapy? Also on what "gun group" you are referring to?
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 09:49 AM
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44. Oh well...
Perhaps he could be more cordial next time?
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:45 PM
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3. A petition is a waste of time. Just boycott them.
Open carry is as family friendly as pants optional.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:53 PM
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4. it's plenty family friendly
i open carry 5 days a week and families are very friendly to me

hth

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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:55 PM
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5. Why do you do that?
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:56 PM
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6. i'm required to nt
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:57 PM
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7. That makes it only slightly less creepy.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:59 PM
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9. only in yer twisted mind
most people welcome seeing my and my sidearm.

and my pepper spray

and my taser

and my uniform

and my smiling countenance

and my perky chesticles (somewhat covered up by vest unfortunately) :(
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:03 PM
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11. The badge gets mentioned first. Everything else follows from that.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:07 PM
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13. which goes back to my point. it's family friendly.
hth
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 02:28 PM
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45. Yeah as
a firefighter I love seeing the police show up at our scenes to keep the lookyloos away. On duty I don't carry as the city of Las Vegas seems to have a problem with that but when off duty I always carry, How does that make you feel Shares?
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:00 PM
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10. Why is it creepy?
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:06 PM
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12. It's ok now. The law is carrying. Not some doofus.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:13 PM
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14. some doofuses ARE the law
(myself excepted of course).

of course, i don't believe only cops should be able to carry openly.\

we apparently differ on this.

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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:22 PM
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17. Would you object to someone video capturing a traffic stop or arrest you were making?
Edited on Fri Feb-12-10 08:22 PM by sharesunited
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:32 PM
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19. of course not.
just as i think i have the right to audio/videotape stuff people are doing in public (like interacting with me at a traffic stop), i think others have the right to do the same with me.

that keeps both sides honest.

and it helps protect officers against false complaints and prosecute those that do so and citizens from bad cops

win/win.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:32 PM
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20. Most dashboard cameras already do that. Why do you ask?
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:48 PM
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22. There have been some stories about police officers who objected to citizen video capture.
And who physically subdued the videographer on an "interference" charge.

Just using that as a possible touchstone for patrolmen with a bad attitude.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 12:00 AM
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39. "some stories"
My anecdote is better than your anecdote. *shrug*

You really put your foot in your mouth on this one. Paulsby is one of DU's staunchest defenders of _all_ our rights, bar none. Check his posts in other forums regarding the first amendment, the fourth, the fifth, etc etc.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 12:05 AM
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41. He was digging for something to attack with...
Samuri swords
Sacrosanct proliferation
Flintlocks
Guns settle grievences
Over abiding love of guns
Kiddie porn... You know, the usual...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:22 PM
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 09:29 PM
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25. Ok, so in your eyes, only law enforcement is exempt from being labeled a doofus?
Meaning: law abiding citizen = doofus... Law enforcement = not doofus?
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 09:42 PM
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27. Law enforement = I carry a gun because I am the law.
Doofus = I am the law because I carry a gun.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 10:44 PM
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29. Correct me if I'm wrong...
But police officers are not the law.

Question: I am not a law enforcement officer. I carry a gun. In your opinion, where does that put me?
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 11:04 PM
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33. You explained your situation as the victim of a beating apparently administered for recreation.
I expect that puts you somewhere between Elie Wiesel and Charles Bronson.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 11:11 PM
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34. Hmmm.
One problem, you just put me between two white people. Can we broaden the spectrum a bit? Or perhaps get beyond the narrow scope of philanthropy to acting?

Also, where would my wife fit into the equation? She carries as well?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 12:02 AM
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40. "I am the law"??
Is this the power you willingly give up to officers of the law?

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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 02:31 AM
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43. No no no, you say it like this
I yam the LAWWWW!!!!
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NewMoonTherian Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 03:34 PM
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47. "Respect my authoritah!" n/t
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farmout rightarm Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 03:25 PM
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46. The law? Like this guy?
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 02:29 AM
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42. I don't know about you, but I find it wierd to see a cop with no firearm.
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Pullo Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:17 PM
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15. Pantless open-carry .....
Open carry is as family friendly as pants optional.


Great idea! You should open your own coffee house! :toast:

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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:25 PM
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18. Too great a risk of assault with a friendly weapon.
Edited on Fri Feb-12-10 08:39 PM by sharesunited
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:35 PM
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21. Not if you have the clap.
Itchy weapon.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 06:15 PM
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49. Well, just keep the salt off your friendly weapon. nt
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aliendroid Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 10:55 PM
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32. actually, in New Hamphsire a woman went without a shirt, open carrying
Edited on Fri Feb-12-10 11:30 PM by aliendroid
There's a video of it, but she did get arrested after a long debate with the cops as to whether they should arrest her. I like how open carry results in a debate with cops before an arrest rather than 5 250 pound cops jumping on her and forcing her into the car like she's an animal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISHXdGKKDZw

she said some dudes have boobs 10x her size and so she should not have to wear a shirt, but she did deserve to be arrested, that's against the law.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 09:27 PM
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24. Great post. Recommended.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 09:38 PM
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26. The Brady Campaign is a hate group
K&R

:kick:
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aliendroid Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 10:50 PM
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31. hell yeah
and bigoted
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 11:13 PM
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35. I am their worst nightmare on many, many different levels
:evilgrin:
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aliendroid Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 11:32 PM
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36. you do make good, well thought out posts
I bet the brady bunch, and Mrs Peters read this forum, they're probably not loving that 1st amendment right now.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 11:36 PM
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37. Well...
"you do make good, well thought out posts"

Is that why they degenerate off topic so quickly?
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 10:25 PM
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28. Have not been to the Brady web site in a long time. Do they still not
allow comments to be posted?
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 10:47 PM
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30. I did not notice through all my tears of laughter...
He'll my laptop could have been on fire and I don't think I would have noticed.
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aliendroid Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 11:37 PM
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38. given that...
Peters, one of their greatest allies stated that the 1st amendment existed to protect lies on the internet, so I guess she does not like for us to be able to debate and argue against what those authoritarians think is good for us and the absolute and undebatable truth.

I don't think they're going to give me the chance to debate with them because I will open a can on them.
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bonzotex Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:49 PM
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48. drive in, un rec
The sarcasm made me want to pee and moan.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 06:19 PM
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50. How does Huffpo justify a GOP anti-2A columnist, but not a lefty pro-2A columnist? nt
Edited on Sun Feb-14-10 06:20 PM by SteveM
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