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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:01 PM Original message |
IRELAND: Group warns on 'lethal force' law |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. So I guess if an individual breaks into your home in Ireland ... |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Outside of America, most people don't regard their television to be worth a human life |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Your ignorance speaks volumes. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. But does the *burglar* regard the television as worth a human life? |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. That likely depends on the likelihood of the burglar getting shot |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Home invaders already attack and/or kill residents on occasion, even when they're unarmed. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Yes they do |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. So people should just lie back and take it. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. Out of curiousity, do you feel the same about rape? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Deleted message |
TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Funny, that's exactly the OPPOSITE of what I was saying. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. Where have you got that "unoccupied" from? |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. except empirical evidence proves otherwise |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. And out of those occupied burglaries, how many end up in physical violence? |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. it's not a US paradigm |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 03:34 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Another graduate from the College of It Stands To Reason |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
31. Home invasion in and off itself is a violent crime. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Weird, ain't it? nt |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #6 |
26. Not to Gandhi... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. And what has that to do with valuing property over life? nt |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Well, I'll try another quote... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-30-10 01:48 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. What's the context of the quote? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-30-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Your idea of Gandhi is based on the film? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-30-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I am aware of the "way of non-violence" or "Ahimsa"... |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. I can replace my tv at Best Buy.... |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. So if someone steals your grandfathers' hammer, you'll forget all about your grandfather? |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. No I'll remember my grandfather |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. He has it confused, horribly. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
29. If you need the object to preserve the sentimental value, then |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. We do not think a TV is worth a life, but the criminal trying to take it thinks his is. You are |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. And I can't replace the time (parts of my life) invested in obtaining those objects. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. It's the myth of the "peaceable robber" again |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. How do I know that all he wants is the TV? |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. There you go, bringing fact to a faith-based argument.... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Outside of DU, most people don't actually believe someone breaking into an occupied home |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
25. American crims/thugs never met Gandhi, nor evidently, you... |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Strawman |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
24. Hmm... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
28. Burglars DO have the right not to be shot dead. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
35. On lethal force and property. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-28-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Excellent! |
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