Angry off-duty cop waves his gun around after his Hummer is pelted with snowballs

[RamboLiberal]

An off-duty Washington D.C. police detective went berserk and began waving his gun around when his Hummer was pelted with snowballs during this weekend's storm.

"Yes I did (pull my gun), because I got hit with snowballs!" the cop said in a video of the confrontation posted to YouTube by a witness.

He identified himself as Det. Baylor or Det. Bailey - the video's sound is unclear.

D.C. Police, who say they are investigating the Saturday incident, did not identify the officer but said he is a veteran detective.

The Washington City Paper published a photo of the cop with his gun drawn but pointed at the ground.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/12/20/2009-12-20_angry_offduty_cop_threatens_crowd_with_a_gun_after_his_hummer_is_pelted_with_sno.html#ixzz0aIETtcQ0

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[tburnsten]

3. Actually that is the behavior of an absolute lunatic

and sociopath, and he needs to be stripped of his title as a law enforcement officer, and face criminal charges. If he were not a cop, he would be slammed to the ground with a rifle stuck in his face by several officers, even in a situation where he wasn't so clearly in the wrong.


I think that police officers who are completely carried away with themselves and their jobs are one of the biggest threats to our rights and society. Every time I hear or read of a cop referring to "civilians" it makes me sick to my stomach, because unless they are a military police officer, they are civilians too, and they need to get the fuck over themselves.

And I think you need to get better acquainted with the members of this community who frequent this subforum, because I have never seen anyone advocate killing someone strictly over the threat of damage to their property. Removing someone's livelihood and ability to provide for their family is NOT the same as throwing a snowball or two at a vehicle.

[Callisto32]

6. I'm glad I'm not the only one with the tic about "civillian"

About the "get over yourself" part. Back home we have a state trooper who lives 3 houses down. When he's off duty, he likes to ride around on his horse (it's a small town) while trying to look intimidating. He rides around with one hand on his hip, not saying anything, with a "God, I'm so intense" look on his face. He is especially fond of doing this during our town's volunteer fire department fundraiser fair thing. The first time I saw him my exact thoughts were "Gads, man, get over yourself." I know this is just a little anecdote and has no scientific value, but I think this is the kind of attitude that causes these thigns.


Snowballs? Grow a pair, man.

[Euromutt]

11. Oh, you're not alone

As someone who's been a soldier (technically, I'm still in the inactive reserves) and has worked with cops (from a variety of countries), I know it's driven me nuts when cops talk about "civilians" as if they themselves are not (not all of them do, mind you). Police officers are civilians; in a war, they are not allowed to take part in armed hostilities (and may not be targeted themselves) except under limited circumstances.

But that's a large part of why I talk about "private citizens" on this forum.

[Flyboy_451]

15. definitions...

From Merrian-Webster dictionary-


Main Entry: ci·vil·ian
Pronunciation: \sə-ˈvil-yən also -ˈvi-yən\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century

1 : a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
2 a : one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force b : outsider 1


Is there some reason that you wish to re-define the word, and if so, why should others hold the same view? Strikes me as being very similar to those that wish to re-define our constitution to fit their agendas or beliefs, rather than admit that their view is not the acceptable one...

[eqfan592]

16. Remove bug from ass, please.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian

"A civilian under international humanitarian law is a person who is not a member of his or her country's armed forces. The term is also often used colloquially to refer to people who are not members of a particular profession or occupation, especially by law enforcement agencies, which often use rank structures similar to those of military units."



So in the eye's of international law, Euromutt is 100% correct. You're now welcome to apologize to Euromutt for your aggressive and condescending attitude.

[tburnsten]

19. Non-Military Police are civilians

Firefighters? You have got to be kidding me, the only people who refer to "civilians" and don't include themselves are douchy police officers (never heard of a cop being called up to go fight Al-Qaeda or the Taliban who wasn't a Guard or Reserve member, or called up to go help rebuild and stabilize a nation in almost open civil war located in a miserable desert either) who can't get enough of themselves.

[Euromutt]

20. The problem with appealing to dictionaries is that they are descriptive as well as prescriptive

Dictionaries (among other things) reflect common usage, regardless of whether that usage is correct or not. We know that "I could care less" is used to mean the exact opposite ("I could not care less"), even though the two logically cannot mean the same thing. But if enough people say "I could care less" when they mean "I could not care less," that's what's going to appear in a dictionary.

Similarly, if enough people use "civilian" to refer only to private citizens, and exclude representatives of the civil authorities (note: civil authorities), then that usage will appear in a dictionary, regardless of whether it's correct. Appealing to a dictionary is in effect an argumentum ad numerum (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html#numerum): "This is how a word is used by a large number of people, therefore that usage is the correct one."

[Flyboy_451]

22. sorry about the delay

between posts. had more pressing things to deal with than playing on the internet...

My initial response was in no way meant as an attack as Eqfan appears to have interpreted it , and i did indeed check to see that there were no bugs lodged in my rectum. I am a bit confused though on just exactly how we are to define words and their usage if not by sources such as a dictionary. To use such sources as international law is just as, if not more subjective than the use of a dictionary, in my opinion.

It is not uncommon for a piece of legislation to define words for terms for the purpose of said legislation. The is typically stated in the definitions portion of any legislative piece, yet we would not necessarily use this as the definition of the word or phrase in common usage, nor would it be interpreted as the accepted and true definition in many cases.

The debate over the use of the word "civilian" could probably be argued many different ways, and occupy many pages on this forum and leave us exactly where we are now. I do not see a problem in describing non LEO personnel as civilians, largely because I think it is a commonly accepted, and therefore viable descriptive term. Most people would understand the intended meaning, I think.

As an LEO, I do not, nor do I think that other LEOs use the word in a derogatory manner.

JW

[Euromutt]

2. This beggars belief

What's that thing certain anti-gun types tell you? "You want a gun, join the police force"? Well, I feel so much fucking safer knowing that only the trusted agents of the state can legally carry.

[armueller2001]

14. I love that line.

Because only the families of police officers are worth protecting.. haha

[petronius]

4. Seems reasonable - it's not like he shot anybody or anything

It's not nice to throw snow at people's cars, those vandals should have known better... :silly:

[Callisto32]

5. We all know how this will most likely end:

"Nothing to see here folks. The official investigation has found that no regulations were violated and everything was by the book. Move along."

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

8. Paid administrative leave and then back on the beat one month later.

They need to fire this guy... like today.
Pay him his vacation, 2 weeks, and pension and tell him not let the door hit his ass on the way out.
If he plays nice and does quietly no charges need filed.

I think it's disgusting when cops do absurd shit and then sit at home collecting a paycheck
for a few weeks before going back to their job.
I don't know why depts put up with this shit... cops like this are lawsuits waiting to happen.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

7. Good thing there was police officer present or this could have escalated.

Oh... wait. :eyes:

[oneshooter]

9. Remember that only the Police have enough training to carry a handgun. NOT!! N/T

[virginia mountainman]

10. That reminds me...

Famous last words....

"I am the only one in this room professional enough to hold this Glock .40........BANG!!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeGD7r6s-zU

[RamboLiberal]

12. D.C. chief slams cop over gun at snowball fight

WASHINGTON - The city's police chief slammed a veteran detective Monday for pulling a gun during a mass snowball fight that had been advertised on Twitter.

Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier said she watched video clips from the confrontation and has no doubt the off-duty detective pulled his gun after snowballs hit his personal car during Saturday's record snowfall.

"Let me be very clear in stating that I believe the actions of the officer were totally inappropriate!" Lanier said in a statement after the videos made the rounds on YouTube. "In no way should he have handled the situation in this manner."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34516682/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[Twobanger]

13. dumb cop

This could of turned out very badly. The responding cop could of shot this guy,and would of been justified.
The crowd could of overpowered him and beat the shit out of him for being such an asshole.
I learned a long time ago in New York City, If the kids have the hydrant open and you do not want to get wet, GO DOWN ANOTHER STREET.
What an arrogant person. This guy must of thought that everybody would stop for him because his "I'm an off duty cop beacon " was on.
And yes, I am involved in law enforcement.

[Callisto32]

18. Next step.

Fire him.

[Euromutt]

21. Or at least impose *some* disciplinary sanction

Personally, I'd be happy enough to see the guy put on desk duty for a few months and (most importantly) stripped of the privilege to carry a firearm during that period.

[Ihaterush]

17. This guy is nuts

I heard about this on the news. I live 20min from DC so this is pretty close.