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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 11:37 AM
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Woman kills intruder while on the phone with 911
Donna Jackson, 57, was on the phone with 911 for more than ten minutes reporting an intruder at her home when she shot and killed the man, Billy Dean Riley. The incident was captured on tape by the 911 dispatcher. Riley entered Jackson's home after breaking a glass door by throwing a patio table through it. Jackson shot him once in the chest with a 16-gauge shotgun.

Police say Jackson was not arrested and appears to have acted purely in self-defense. Listen to the harrowing 911 call below.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/08/donna-jackson-kills-intru_n_383871.html



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Someone yesterday was saying a gun in the home does NOT make one safer. I think this woman disagrees.

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schmuls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 11:40 AM
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1. She gave him what he asked for. More power to her.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 11:41 AM
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2. The other day, I heard a 911 tape of a woman calling police...
...but the cops took so long to respond that the intruder not only broke into the house, but raped her as well.

When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away. No disrespect to the cops intended - it's simply logistics.

And yet another reason why a gun in the house may not be such a bad idea after all.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 11:44 AM
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3. Spunky 68 year old widow in Tucson called 911, years ago, to report an intruder.
She called and said she was holding a gun on the young man in her home and would appreciate them sending a police officer to arrest and remove him.

911 operator kept trying to talk her into PUTTING HER GUN DOWN and just waiting until an officer arrived, as it would be very dangerous for an officer to walk in on an armed woman!

The old lady held her ground and told the operator she WOULD NOT put the gun down as the man was younger, stronger, faster than she was and might take the gun. Operator kept arguing that the officer might be in danger, or the old woman might be in danger if an officer entered and saw her with a gun in her hands.

Do they screen for logic when they hire operators?

There had been lots of home invasions when this woman had her adventure. There had been some deaths, and the operator wanted her to put the gun down?

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 12:04 PM
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4. What was the outcome?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 01:22 PM
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11. She kept gun on intruder until police officer had him in cuffs. Then she put gun down
Officer called to her before entering, to make sure she was the one with the gun, then he came in and arrested the man.

And she lived to tell the tale.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 01:38 PM
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15. Sounds like they both did their jobs exactly right. Good. n/t
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:16 PM
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19. Smart lady.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:10 PM
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22. Simple common sense
She was right not to put her weapon down.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 10:58 PM
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23. Yeah, common sense, only the 911 operator lacked it altogether
Kept telling the 68 year old woman to put it down, while the bad guy was in the room. Kept trying to convince the old woman that her having the gun was a risk to the officer en route. Of course, the bad guy grabbing it if she set it down as operator instructed definitely would have been risky to the old woman AND the cop.

Some of those operators make ya scratch your head.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 12:08 PM
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5. Yeah, right. I know four people with guns in the home who were injured or
killed by those very same guns. Not one of them had ever "defended" themselves with those guns. Two other friends had their guns stolen when thieves broke in to their home and car. Now those guns belong to criminals.

The FACTS are; owning a gun DOES NOT make you safer. The opposite is true.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 12:16 PM
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6. Fine - you go unarmed
And let the rest of us to make our choice to be armed.

FACTS also are if you have a gun you at least have a fighting chance to survive till the police arrive.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 12:21 PM
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7. So you have careless friends.
That does not indicate any sort of trend for the other 300,000,000 people in this country. Sorry for your loss.
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Remmah2 Donating Member (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 02:30 PM
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18. She needs to find friends of a better caliber.
I know people I don't trust with a car.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 12:39 PM
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8. Keep stuffing your strawman, its almost full.....
I never said owning a gun makes you safer. Perhaps you could take a course on reading comprehension when you are done stuffing that strawman.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 12:51 PM
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9. Your personal anecdotes aren't scientifically valid.
What you describe is no more rational than saying that you know four people who got food poisoning, therefore food makes you sick. Fact of the matter is there is no provable evidence that owning a gun makes someone less safe, and the north of one million defensive uses of a gun every year in this country suggest that your assumption about not making someone safer doesn't pass the smell test either. Read the work of a guy named Gary Kleck. He's probably the country's leading expert on the actual statistics and science of defensive gun usage in America. He's also a liberal Democrat and card-carrying member of the ACLU.
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Remmah2 Donating Member (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 02:29 PM
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17. Then why do police carry them? nt
nt
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cowcommander Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:41 PM
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20. So if you don't have a gun and you're in this situation, what do you do then?
Hide under the table? Run away from the house?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 11:20 PM
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24. I'm so happy you shared that with us Lorien. Did you know that I'm the King of Siam?
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 11:39 PM
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25. LOL!
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 12:16 AM
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26. BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
PWNED!!!
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:23 PM
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30. O.K., that's about enough, Damnit!!
Two coffee-snorts in one day is a litte much! And who's going to clean this keyboard? Again?!

:bounce: :rofl:
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:25 PM
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29. How many of them were suicides?
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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 01:10 PM
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10. Practical experience
One thing we have learned in dealing with our idiotically dangerous neighbors over the past 5 years--if you call 911 or the sheriff's dept., and try to report what's going on and tell them to send help, it will take a minimum of half an hour for someone to show up.

If you just call, don't say anything, and hang up--and don't pick up the phone when they call back--they MUST respond within a matter of minutes.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 01:25 PM
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12. Same experience in Tucson, which covers a large area
MUCH faster response if one just calls and hangs up.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 01:34 PM
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13. years ago there was this incident in Denver
Two guys high on Pcp or something, were trying to break into a house. The house had a sign on the door that said 'this house guarded by Smith and Wesson" and the woman inside called 911. So did many neighbors. During the 45 minutes it took the cops to arrive, 911 recorded that the men burst in, she shot one and he staggered outside and died. The other one took the gun from her and shot her and fled. When the cops arrived they began a search for the second assailant and the news reported that the woman was in the hospital and the cops were CONSIDERING WHETHER CHARGES WOULD BE FILED AGAINST THE WOMAN. Lovely story, isn't it??? I hate guns and won't have them in the house but if someone breaks into my house I would do my best to kill them.

Many states have the law that if someone who wishes you ill approaches from the rear, you are allowed to shoot him. If he approaches from the front you are not.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 01:37 PM
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14. WTH?
"Many states have the law that if someone who wishes you ill approaches from the rear, you are allowed to shoot him. If he approaches from the front you are not."

Where on earth did you get that from?
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:39 PM
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27. that was supposed to be the law when we lived in texas
years ago. A lot of laws are on the books that we never hear about
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:20 PM
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28. No, that was never the law in Texas..
Before 2007's official castle doctrine came in, Texans had a 'duty to retreat' even in their own home (officially). However, there were damned few prosecutions under previous law, so the 2007 law just brought the laws up to date with what Texas courts had been setting as precedent.

Hell, there might be a stupid law like that in one city or town in Texas, but it was never Texas state law.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 01:44 PM
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16. Umm, where do you live?
That sounds like a much garbled version of the 'duty to retreat' that used to exist in many states.

There's no legal justification that I know that equates to "He snuck up on me, therefore I can shoot him."
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 04:02 PM
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21. Huh? Where dod you come up with that?
Many states have the law that if someone who wishes you ill approaches from the rear, you are allowed to shoot him. If he approaches from the front you are not. That is the most absurd thing I have heard today.
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