56 Year old Woman defends her life with a shotgun.

[virginia mountainman]

"A woman with a shotgun was on the phone to a 911 dispatcher this morning in Lincoln County when she shot and killed an intruder who crashed through her back patio door."

"Donna Jackson, 56, told the dispatcher a man she didn't know was at her sliding glass door to her back patio about 12:40 a.m. at 352112 E 800 Road ..."

"She was armed with a 16-gauge shotgun when the dispatcher heard the glass door smash and the shotgun blast ..."

"A man identified as Billy Dean Riley, 53, was struck once in the chest and pronounced dead when emergency medical workers arrived ..."

"Jackson was not harmed." ...

911 recording of Call.... Remember, when seconds count, the police are minutes away.... They finally got their TWENTY THREE MINUTES after the call was made..

http://newsok.com/multimedia/video/54313835001

News article of the event...

http://newsok.com/woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-in-lincoln-county/article/3422498?custom_click=rss

Too all of you who "want to ban the guns" and leave people defenseless in face of attack...

....Go to hell....

[cliffordu]

1. k&R - and recced back to zero...

[virginia mountainman]

3. Some people evidently don't like it when

An old woman uses a gun to protect her life....

[napi21]

2. Good for her! If the idiot saw someone with a shotgun aimed

at him still decided to smash the door, TS on him!

[Jamastiene]

4. K&R

Good for her. A woman's home is her castle.

It's about time we all started fighting back. In Charlotte this summer, there was a rash of break-ins. People started shooting the intruders. Quite a few people killed the intruders. The rash of break-ins came to a halt. ;)

[DesertFlower]

5. good for her. mt

[GreenStormCloud]

6. She did it right.

Called 911, got it all on tape, refused to go into a small room where her shotgun would be too big to use, waited until she absolutely had to before she shot, said on tape that she didn't want to kill him but would if she had to, stays on the phone with the police.

The tape shows the emotional trauma of when you have defend yourself with lethal force.

Mrs. Jackson was a brave woman who refused to be a victim.

I love the part where the dispatcher tell her that she has the right to defend herself.

[SteveM]

7. And they say a .16 ga. is almost obsolete (nt)

[Endangered Specie]

8. So are muzzleloaders

but I wouldn't want to be hit by one of those either!

[spin]

9. K&R (n/t)..

[RubyDuby in GA]

10. That was terrible.

At first, I was extremely angry because she kept telling the dispatcher that she didn't want to kill him, but she would. Never that she would shoot to wound him, but to always kill him.

But I will never criticize someone defending themselves or their home from a crazy person trying to get in and my heart breaks for her that she is so distraught at having to defend herself against this person.

[GreenStormCloud]

11. Shooting to wound is morally WRONG.

For those who do not understand the dynamics, shooting to wound sounds moral, but in reality it is the most immoral choice a person can make.

There is only ONE reason for a person to shoot another. The Bad Guy must be doing something so evil that they must be STOPPED IMMEDIATELY, even if they later die as a result of being stopped, and there are no options other than deadly force. It is often called, "In the gravest extreme...". Stopped means rendered incapable of further action. It does not mean persuaded to stop, it means STOPPED.

One is not justified, morally, in shooting until ALL other reasonable options have been exhausted. In other words, you don't shoot until you are out of time, you wait until you have to shoot before you shoot. If you don't have to shoot just yet, then you don't shoot.

If you shoot to wound only, then you are not yet in the gravest extreme. You have time to evaluate the effects of the shot and see if the BG needs to be shot again. If you shoot to wound, YOU ARE SHOOTING TOO EARLY. Any shot can be fatal, even a shot intended to wound. So in shooting to wound you are risking the other person's life when the final need is not yet there.

When the final need is there, one aims for center mass. For the center of the target mass as they present it. The reason you do that is so that if your aim is off a bit, (Remember, he may be moving, you may also be moving, and the tension of the moment will act to throw off your aim.)then you are still more likely to hit him. Further, a center mass shot stands the greatest chance of incapacitating the BG.

It is unlikely that she was trained in self-defense. She was obviously really scared, and was not considering her choice of words. Notice how upset she was after she had shot.

[safeinOhio]

13. But Dog the Bounty Hunter

never kills anyone. 48oz of bear spray to the face. He takes on the badest of the bad. Armed and dangerous. He never shots to kill.

[GreenStormCloud]

14. He doesn't shoot at all - yet.

It is good if the situation allows a less-lethal form of force. In addition to my guns, I carry police strength pepper spray on me. A 48 oz. canister is a bit big to have on me all the time, so I carry the pocket sized. I also carry a stun gun, which is not really a gun but an high voltage shocking device. I don't want to kill anyone if it can be avoided.

But, if one ever has to shoot, shooting to wound is a really bad idea, for the reason stated above.

[JonQ]

15. He also puts himself in to those situations

as part of his job, he isn't surprised by the perp.

Nor is he a 50 year old woman.

[eqfan592]

16. Wait, do you mean to imply that a 50 year old woman...

....(or man for that matter) who may never have faced a dangerous situation such as this before ISN'T on the same level of handling a situation like this as a hardened bounty hunter? No rational person would even make such a suggestion!!

:sarcasm:

[JonQ]

22. Heheh

Or my all time favorite: just use hand to hand combat to disarm the attacker (or any number of variations on this theme).

Apparently grabbers live in a world where all 90 year old grandmas are in fact black belts who trained for decades under the tutelage of the shaolin monks (the ones from TV, not the real ones), but criminals are in fact weak pacifists.

[taurus145]

17. That's because he's a convicted felon

He lost his right to keep and bear arms (firearms) with the felony conviction in Texas. (I think it was Texas. I may be wrong.)

[virginia mountainman]

21. BINGO!! If he even TOUCHES a gun..

He will be in much more trouble than most of those he goes after...

[taurus145]

18. Shooting to wound is a good way to get killed

Arms and legs are not good targets. Even a pro is likely to miss. If you do hit, it's likely to piss off the attacker before it gets his attention enough to stop him.

Shooting to wound is pure Hollywood. Shoot at the biggest target - center mass (chest). That'll usually do the job.

[JonQ]

23. Basic rule of gun safety

don't point a gun at anyone you don't intend to kill.

[RamboLiberal]

25. As others have said - shooting to wound is a dumb idea

And damn hard as well with a shotgun. She also may have been sitting there with a single shot shotgun since a 16 gauge is probably an older shotgun and could well be just an old single shot hunting shotgun kept in the house. That may have been her one and only defense round.

[eqfan592]

12. My wife and I just sat and listend to that.

Very chilling to say the least. Certainly underscores the fact that the police can NOT be counted out to help you in situations like this. And that's not really a slam on police. They are spread far to thin to protect everybody, which is why it's our job to defend ourselves when the need comes to it.

I found it interesting that the police basically cleared her to use lethal force. I've never heard that on other 911 calls like this before.

And my heart really goes out to that woman. I hope she can cope and move on with her life. It really didn't sound like there was any other rational option.

[RubyDuby in GA]

19. My husband made the same point about the police

i.e. that it will take 23 minutes for cops to show up when taxes are cut so much that counties and cities can't pay for basic services.

[eqfan592]

20. Too true.

Though even if they were fully funded there still wouldn't be enough of them to keep us all safe all the time, so a similar deal would apply when it comes to protecting ourselves. But in situations like this 911 call, a 5 minute response time could have saved this guys life and saved this woman from a lot of possible emotional problems down the line.

[JonQ]

24. True

of course even in places where the budgets are ample it still isn't reasonable to expect them to prevent every crime. It takes a few seconds to kill someone, to prevent that they would have to be holding your hand 24/7, and never slip up. Essentially we'd have to live in a police state before we could reasonably expect anything approaching that level of protection, which simply is not worth the cost.