South Carolina's Black Friday “extrava-gun-za”

[Ichingcarpenter]

Lock and load. If you are in the market for some tax-free guns, and you live in South Carolina, good news. As reported by the New York Daily News, “The great state of South Carolina is putting its own sick twist on Black Friday with a tax holiday on firearm purchases. Not cars. Not clothes. Certainly not books. Just guns. For the 48 hours following Thanksgiving, gun buyers will enjoy a break of up to 9% in state and local taxes.”

Interestingly, as the Daily News notes, South Carolina is among the top five states “that provide 85% of the illegal handguns recovered in New York City.” Also intriguing: The tax holiday was originally intended for energy efficient appliances as well, but apparently you can’t have “multiple matters” in a single bill. “The legislature solved the problem by dropping the energy efficiency part and keeping the firearms in time for this year's Black Friday. That was no doubt welcome news to the state's gun shops, which outnumber McDonald's in the Palmetto State by four to one.”

Yes, that’s right. If you buy something that is energy efficient, no special tax holiday for you

http://www.mainstreet.com/article/smart-spending/black-friday-extrava-gun-za

Miss South Carolina Lauren Caitlin Upton


“I personally believe, that U.S. Americans,
are unable to do so,
because uh,

some, people out there, in our nation don’t have maps.
and uh…

I believe that our education like such as in South Africa,
and the Iraq,

everywhere like such as…
and, I believe they should uh,
our education over here,

in the U.S. should help the U.S.
or should help South Africa,

and should help the Iraq and Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future,
for us.”



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[Kurska]

1. To bad Florida isn't running something similiar.

Does this apply to just guns or ammo aswell, because ammo has been getting crazy expensive. (sadly the crazies ran up the prices, idiots).

[Fla_Democrat]

10. yep, damn shame

:toast:

[vadawg]

2. damn, i was looking at getting the wife a new glock for a christmas gift

nah who am i kidding ill still buy her it in the commonwealth.....

[michreject]

29. I did that three years ago

In got my wife a S&W 386PD to carry and she got me a set of diamond stud ear rings. :)

[eqfan592]

3. It's only a "sick twist" because you humanize firearms....

...and think they are in some way "evil." You also have the need to project these feelings a LOT it would seem. :P

Those of us without such issues don't have the same problem. I wish this were in Wisconsin, as my wife is looking to get a new pistol. Ah well.

I do agree with you that it's lame they dropped it for energy efficient appliances, though.

Hope you got your popcorns worth. ;)

[saigon68]

4. Girly man & Draft Dodger Doyle would never allow it

He doesn't need guns since he has at least 30 state troopers to protect his sorry ass. (This relates to his veto of CC)

I hope he likes being the director of the peace corps once he leaves with his huge pension a year from now.

[eqfan592]

5. Doyles a draft dodger?

I had honestly never heard that.

But I agree it was pretty jacked up for him to veto those bills, and right now the only Democratic candidate in the running, Mayor Barrett, is just as ignorant on the issue as Doyle is. What's sad is that Barrett should have a better understand of how concealed and open carry are helpful after being beaten with a pipe while trying to help somebody that was being assaulted. I guess some people are just so zealous when it comes to an issue that they can't accept reality even after it literally beats them over the head.

At the vary least I would like a promise from Barrett that he wouldn't veto a concealed carry bill if it were to come to his desk, even if he wouldn't support it.

EDIT: Also, check out the Wisconsin forum here on DU. I mentioned the CC issue on several threads about Barrett.

[saigon68]

19. Look up his Bio on Wiki

His Daddy the "Federal Judge" pulled some strings and little Jimmy went to africa w/the peace Corp to "feed the natives"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Doyle

[spinbaby]

6. Well then...

Thanksgiving, family togetherness, football, tax-free guns...it's like they're planning some kind of a domestic-violence extravaganza.

[eqfan592]

7. And you're going to follow this statement up....

....with evidence that points to ownership of a firearm inherently bringing out more violent tendencies, thus increasing the domestic-violence rate in an area as the gun ownership rate increases, correct? I hope you are anyway, because otherwise it doesn't look favorably upon you to make such claims without the evidence to back them up.

[Nikki Stone1]

8. No, but the presence of a gun vastly increases the possibility that someone will be shot at

some point. No gun, no shoot. Of course, you can argue that someone might throw a heavy ashtray at someone and kill them, but that's not nearly as efficient.

[eqfan592]

12. And the presense of a car vastily increases the possibility that someone...

...will be in a car accident at some point. This is were a rational person does a cost/benefit analysis to see if it is worth it to them to keep a firearm in the house (and you do actually have some control over if you get shot with that firearm in your own home, believe it or not, because you are able to practice safe firearm handling).

Of course, your point also doesn't address the connection between firearms and increased levels of domestic violence, which is what you implied in your first post.

[GreenStormCloud]

13. I can argue that someone may use a knife in a mugging,

or a club, or just strong-arm robbery. A gun gives me the ability to fight back against an assailant. I am a senior citizen and would not be able to win against a young man, except by using a tool and a gun is the best tool for self-defense that there is.

BTW - Over the past twenty years the number of handguns in the U.S. has nearly doubled, but the FBI's measure of the violent crime rate has come down to its lowest level in about twenty years. How do you account for that?

[SteveM]

18. Please keep in mind that domestic shootings (intentional & accidental) have fallen...

over the last 10-15 years. Yet, the number of firearms in civilian hands has gone up from around 200,000,000 to well over 300,000,000. It would seem the old saw that "more firearms = more violence" doesn't hold up.

[rd_kent]

25. I see hit-and-run Nikki Stone1 has been here to make an absurd claim thennot relpy when refuted.

So typical. Cant we have these types of posters banned from commenting?

[GreenStormCloud]

28. But me having a gun on me decreases the chance that I will be shot, and...

vastly decreases the chance that I will be stabbed, cut, clubbed, beaten, or subjected to other forms of deadly violence.

Further, I am no danger to anyone who does not attack me, even though I am armed.

So why to you object to me making myself safer when I harm no one else in so doing, except possibly a violent predatory criminal thug?

[SteveM]

17. Let us know if you detect -- with data -- any uptick in domestic violence.

You are aware that the hoary ol' belief that football (most esp. the Super Bowl) was linked to domestic violence, has been unproved. If you have any studies linking the two, now's the time.

BTW, firearms and ammunition are both subject to further taxes (at the federal level). These taxes have pumped over a billion dollars into the states' efforts to lay aside wildlife management areas, protect species, etc.

[Tim01]

9. That sucks, I'm in the wrong state this month.

Oh, well. I just got a gun 2 days ago anyway. I would just be pissed to find out I paid too much by buying 2 days too early.

[PavePusher]

11. Well, I'm personally quite happy that gunshops...

outnumber McD's. The Golden Arches probably contributes to many more deaths per year than guns. You have heard of "clogged arteries", yes?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

14. Great idea. More honest citizens will have access to firearms.

[Euromutt]

15. We already had a thread about this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x269649

Not to put too fine a point on it, the information in that thread was more accurate, too. It's only a break on state and local sales taxes; you're still going to be charged the full whack of federal taxes (and those are plenty).

[benEzra]

16. Most gun taxes are FEDERAL, but you knew that, right?

The excise tax is 10% on handguns and 11% on long guns and ammunition.

[S_B_Jackson]

20. One of the larger gun stores here was running a sale...

$0 down, 0% interest for 12 months....it was my patriotic duty to purchase a Kimber - for the good of the economy, you understand ;)

[eqfan592]

21. No....F'ing....WAY!!

Ugh! My wife wants a nice home defense pistol for herself (the 12 gauge is a bit too much for her to want to handle) but my hours just got cut by 20%, and with the holidays coming up there's just no way we can swing it. That would have been the PERFECT deal! I'll have to keep my eyes open around my area for something similar.

[GreenStormCloud]

24. My wife wants a Saiga .410 bore with a 30 round magazine.

But car repairs will have to take priority.

[eqfan592]

26. Ya know, a semi-auto saiga with a 30 round magazine...

....is probably one of the few areas where most folks would consider the .410 to be a viable option for self defense. Sure, the .410 typically can only hold 4 pellets of 00 buck, but the quick follow up shot would more than make up for that I would think.

EDIT: After doing some research, I've found that you can actually get 3" .410 shells that hold 5 pellets of 000 buck. Apparently it kicks a bit more than a typical .410, but the kick would, I imagine, be a heck of a lot less than a 12 gauge still.

[GreenStormCloud]

27. The mechanism of the Saiga tends to dampen recoil somwhat.

And the BG would see her holding an AK style weapon. I like the idea of the magazine so much that I may get a 12 guage one for me, but she is first in line.

I just don't like the idea of betting my life or hers on completely winning the encounter in only five shots.

[cowcommander]

22. How much did you get it for?

[S_B_Jackson]

23. More than I would have spent for a firearm if the sale hadn't been going on...

Stainless Pro TLE RL II(internal extractor) $1195. Could have gotten it cheaper on-line, but not if you calculate the time/value of money. (And boy, didn't I love telling my wife, "...But it was on sale and if you calculate in the 0% financing, I saved a HUGE amount of $!") :)