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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 04:03 AM
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Turn about is "fair" play -3 wives shoot their husbands
Husband critical after shooting; wife in jail

Wichita police arrested a 43-year-old woman in a shooting early Friday that left her estranged husband in "very critical condition" with a gunshot wound to his head, a police official said. The shooting was reported at 4:01 a.m. in the 12000 block of West 19th Street.

Later Friday, police identified the man who was shot as John Hazelton, 44, of Wichita. Hazelton remained in "very critical condition" Friday afternoon, police Lt. Todd Ojile said. Investigators have interviewed his wife, and she has been put in jail on suspicion of aggravated battery, police said. Hazelton and his wife have been separated, and he was not living at the residence where the shooting occurred, Ojile said.

Ojile said detectives are still trying to determine what led to the shooting, but a police report said that the woman reported shooting her husband during an argument. There had been no previous reports of domestic violence involving the couple, Ojile said.

They have been married for a long time and separated for a short period, he said.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/news/crimecourts/story/1054881.html#ixzz0Wus7pzQ2


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Shot Husband Climbed Out Bathroom Window To Escape Wife

SUMTER COUNTY, Fla. -- The Villages is supposed to be a quiet place where people go to retire, but Thursday night it was the scene of a shooting and a standoff. The woman accused of shooting her husband is in jail and she won't be allowed to bond out.

The woman said she was fed up with her husband trying to control her, so she shot him.

While 51-year-old Denise Textor faced a judge, investigators searched her home for answers and a weapon. She is charged with attempted first-degree murder after shooting her husband. “They've been married 17 years. They retired down here from New Jersey,” said Lt. Steve Binegar, Sumter County Sheriff’s Office.

Dennis Textor is a former law enforcement officer and Denise told deputies he was controlling, but investigators say there's no history of domestic violence, at least until Thursday night when she shot him twice in the chest with a .38-revolver while he was taking a shower. After Dennis was shot, he crawled out the bathroom window, ran through the front yard into the neighbors garage. That's where he called 911.

Denise surrendered after a more than 4-hour standoff with 30 law enforcement officers and the SWAT team, but not before causing the retirement community significant concern. “They’re no crimes. Don't worry about it. And then, boom, this happens and it’s quite shocking,” neighbor Cookie Gibbons said.

More: http://www.wftv.com/countybycounty/21608863/detail.html


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Deadly shooting In Fountain, Wife Charged With Murder

FOUNTAIN — Local investigators said they spent their Saturday chipping away at the inconsistencies in a local woman’s story until she confessed to murder. About 4:30 a.m. Saturday, deputies were called to 16609 Rollohome Road where Brian Griffin had been killed with a .22 rifle. Griffin’s wife, Sabrina Griffin, 32, told deputies the couple had been arguing throughout the night.

She originally told investigators a large family dog knocked over the .22 and it went off, hitting her husband in the chest, officials said. But when confronted with the implausibility of that chain of events, Griffin changed her story, saying she did pick the gun up and it accidentally discharged, hitting Brian Griffin in the chest, investigators said. She added that she did not know the gun was loaded.

Brian Griffin was pronounced dead at the scene.

“The problem with this case is that there were only two people there and now one of them can’t give their version of what happened,” Capt. Jimmy Stanford said. He added that there had been no previous incidents of domestic trouble at the Griffin home.

However, the story changed yet again Saturday. Sabrina Griffin told investigators the couple had been fighting because Brian Griffin was having an affair. Then, she said she shot him in self-defense because he was attacking her. However, Sabrina Griffin had no injuries and there were no other signs she had been attacked, investigators said.

That final lie was enough for investigators to arrest Sabrina Griffin and charge her with an open count of murder....

More: http://www.newsherald.com/news/woman-79098-confessed-fountain.html

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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 04:12 AM
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1. My most detestable sis in law moved to The Villages and
thinks it is a sort of Nirvana with golf carts. Even this will not undeceive her, I fear.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:14 AM
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2. And your point is?
Fine, the media says that the cops (and the neighbors) said nobody noticed any previous domestic disturbance. But I have already pointed out in previous threads, initial media reports stating that "nobody could have foreseen this" almost invariably turn out to be incorrect. The predictors (to use Gavin de Becker's term) existed, but they were ignored, if they were noticed at all.

Moreover, as other posters have rightly pointed out, there are wide swathes of the U.S. (and not just the U.S., before we get into another international pissing contest) where law enforcement and the criminal justice system do not take domestic abuse sufficiently seriously. And though it's not clear which partner might have been the abusive one in any of these cases, given the limited information available, wife-on-husband abuse, while far more rare than husband-on-wife abuse, is really not taken seriously, and is consequently severely under-reported.

So this thread is essentially a response to the accusation that you're making a generalized claim based on anecdotal evidence (said accusation being backed by arguments and evidence why anecdotal evidence cannot be relied upon to provide a representative picture) by posting more anecdotal evidence.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 03:43 PM
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5. My point is that keeping guns in the house increases the risk of a tragedy or violent crime
that wouldn't have occurred otherwise- and that the couple couldn't have foreseen.

And that it's not just the women and children who are at risk of being on the receiving end from a distraught or abusive husband or boyfriend.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:14 PM
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6. In other words, you continue to cling to your hobby horse
No matter how much evidence and reasoned argument other posters offer, you've got your mind made up, and nothing anyone can say or show will alter it. Not least because you seem unwilling to actually read or retain other people's points.

Seriously, look up "confirmation/assimilation bias" and tell me it doesn't apply to you.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:22 PM
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7. How about some of those links?
Let's not have any funded by the Joyce Foundation please.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:26 PM
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8. Things that happened during a week while other husbands killed their wives and children
Turn about is indeed fair play- though there are those of us who wish you the courage to not play that game at all.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:50 PM
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9. As I thought there are none.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:07 PM
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11. No, you just play a totally different game
I know you anti's like to talk about how gun owners are "paranoid" but in reality the opposite is the truth. Those of us who support our rights to own and carry firearms inherently trust our neighbors and fellow citizens to be, for the most part, upstanding, law abiding folks who are more than capable of handling the responsibility of firearm ownership like an adult.

You, however, fear your neighbors. You don't trust them, for whatever reason. You think they're all out to get you on some level, otherwise you wouldn't be so paranoid about them owning a firearm.

Sorry depakid, but your society is not something to be emulated; it's something to be pitied. At least in this one aspect.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:21 AM
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12. Anti's?
Edited on Mon Nov-16-09 01:27 AM by depakid
LOL.

Anti what?

Anti-Fear?

Anti-Shooting each other?

Why would you want to carry guns around in the first place?

Only you can say but it sure seems to me that the reason lies in the same places as Halloween kids who get scared.

Some are fraidy cats.

You, especially seem like that.






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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 02:02 AM
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21. How can you say I'm "affraid"....
because I'm OK with my neighbors being armed? That makes zero sense. You, however, literally drip with fear. And your anti-civil liberties, not that you needed to be told.

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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:59 AM
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24. Anti 2nd Amendment, anti constitution
But then again you wouldn't/couldn't understand this since this isn't your country or any of your business but thanks for playing anyway.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:59 PM
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10. BS
Yeah, maybe they wouldn't have been SHOT if there was no gun, but the crime itself would likely have still been committed, especially a crime of passion. They would simply have used some other impliment.

But of course, you know all of this on a deep level. You just have to keep deluding yourself and denying reality because you don't see any other choice now.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:43 AM
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27. Thats not a point, thats an opinion. One that has been proven to be false, over and over.
But you knew that.
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metalbot Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 02:27 PM
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29. Much higher correlation between alcohol and violence than guns and violence
Wouldn't it make more sense to go after the alcohol rather than guns? Or is that not ok because perhaps it would affect you and people you know?
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 02:37 PM
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30. Then you shouldn't keep one.
If you are so concerned about gun violence do something about it on a personal level. Make a stand and publicly and repeatedly declare to your community that you refuse to own a gun because you don't want to get shot.

I am not the least bit concerned about getting shot by a family member. Nor will I ever resort to shooting one. It will never happen.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:45 AM
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3. yes, wives sometimes kill/injure their husands,


Sometimes out of self-defense and sometimes out of malice and criminal action.

Is this your point?

I refuse to deny the opportunity for the former because of the possibility of the latter.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:52 AM
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14. Hey Georgian- wives are perfectly capable of shooting you in the shower
or elsewhere. Much more easily that doing the Bobbit deal.

Bust a cap or two into your chest if you piss her off.

Just something to keep in mind.



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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 07:41 AM
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17. right back at you.

Given your posts on DU, I'd be worried if I were you.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 02:00 AM
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20. We don't worry with that- nor do we have trouble like Valdosta
It is true that I have to deal with a nasty spider or two. She doesn't much care for those, she'd prefer I stomped 'em.
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dairydog91 Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 12:56 AM
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19. Talk about living in fear.
Edited on Tue Nov-17-09 12:58 AM by dairydog91
If your own wife wants to whack you, and you don't know about it, you're screwed whether or not there's a gun in the house. Christ, she could burn down the house while you're sleeping, put rat poison in your scrambled eggs, slit your throat with a straight razor while you're sleeping, tie you down and force you to drink Drano, bash you with a tire iron, nag you into psychosis/suicide, etc, etc, etc... Let's face it, if the wife seriously wants to do you in, you're probably toast.
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taurus145 Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 05:26 AM
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22. You're absolutely correct if you're scared shitless
of your fellow human beings.

Unlike you, I trust my friends, neighbors, and wife. My wife even has her own gun safe - yes - full of guns. I need to get her a bigger one (safe).

Do I walk on eggshells because she owns and uses firearms? Hardly. And she's a redhead to boot!

It's a funny thing about people. If you treat them with the same respect on a personal level that you feel you deserve, bad things rarely happen. Those bad tings are usually plans altered by illness, work, etc.

I do feel sorry for you. Living in fear and loathing of your fellow man must be a terrible thing.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 10:02 AM
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25. Bust a cap?
Now I know where you get your paranoid gun fears, you watch too much fricken tv. Turn it off and get back to reality.
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:32 AM
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4. I'm confused
I thought Brian Griffin was the dog .
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:51 AM
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13. I giggled a bit there. I also thought the couple named Dennis/Denise was funny
Both of those triggered my BS detector; had to go back more carefully to check if the stories were real...
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:28 AM
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15. And millions continue to use/employ firearms without incident or crime.
Oops! You don't care/want to hear about that.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:33 AM
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16. How about helping the person up thread who may need it
Rather than being the usual.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 08:59 AM
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18.  Pot and Kettle
Seems that all is not well and grand in Oz.

Link between bodies found in Adelaide

Police say a man and a woman both dead after an apparent murder-suicide in Adelaide had an alleged history of domestic violence.

"We're treating this death as suspicious. There is a history of alleged domestic violence between the parties," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/16/2744390.htm?section=australia


Oneshooter
Livin in Texas
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:48 AM
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23. Is there a comment that is supposed to go along with this
OR ARE YOU JUST TROLLING?
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taurus145 Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:44 PM
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26. It's his way.
n/t
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 02:21 PM
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28. Is this a domestic violence OP -
made to bring awareness about the high number of men who are victimized by their female significant other? Or is it a guns rights thread?

At this point in the thread I'm not sure how or what to respond to.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 06:08 PM
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31. Despicable. Victims of criminal acts shouldn't be mocked.
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