The Fort Hood Shooter was NRA trained and approved.

[onehandle]

Surprised?
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On edit: Some DUers seem to think that the NRA is some sort of arm of the military. Put down the freeper/teabagger/minuteman kool-aid and walk away.

They aren't.

[villager]

1. not in the least

n/t

[Dreamer Tatum]

2. That's a personal protection certificate, not a shooting gallery certificate nt

[stray cat]

3. a soldier who knows how to use a gun is a surprise?

[onehandle]

9. Who said anything about a soldier?

They NRA isn't the military, although I'm sure freeper/teabagger/minutemanworld would like it to be.

[Merchant Marine]

17. HURRDURR

The NRA is the leading firearms training organization in the country. If somebody wants to become more proficient, guess who they're going to be teaching the class? The NRA teaches safety and marksmanship to thousands of cops and soldiers each year, along with countless civilians.

[rl6214]

34. Why don't you stop with the

freeper/teabagger/minuteman BS, it really adds nothing to the post and makes you look foolish.

[Euromutt]

37. Malik Hasan was an ARMY MAJOR!

He may have been a medical officer, but even they receive some modicum of military training, including use of a handgun in the event of an emergency.

Fucking duh!

[anonymous171]

4. So? nt

[virgogal]

5. And your point is? He is military,isn't he?

[onehandle]

6. The NRA is part of the military?

Really?

[pipoman]

38. You really can't possibly be this fucking stupid can you? n/t

[-..__...]

Grasping at straws are ya?

:eyes:

Move along...

nothing to see here.

[cliffordu]

7. Don't you get messy climbing up on a stack of bodies that tall for this

chickenshit pointless OP???

[salvorhardin]

8. So what?

There are millions of people that are NRA members who don't shoot people. And while I'm pro-gun control and despise the lobbying arm of the NRA, there's nothing wrong with owning guns or an organization that teaches people how to use them safely and effectively.

[Obamanaut]

10. This means what, exactly? That the guy attended a handgun class

13 years ago, a class that anyone can attend - even potential murderers.

I think this thread reeks of desperation.

[friendly_iconoclast]

11. Would you be happier if Army officers *didn't* learn how to shoot?

n/t

[onehandle]

14. Why do DUers think this has anything to do with the military?

I've addressed this several times in this thread.

The NRA is not the military. Do they have some sort of brainwashing campaign going on?

[friendly_iconoclast]

15. "Brainwashing campaign"? Uh-oh, it's CT time!:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x267220

[friendly_iconoclast]

18. "Your NRA trainee, Mandrake, has no regard for human life. Not even his own."

Maybe the NRA is out to pollute our precious bodily fluids by way of stance and grip training...

[Katya Mullethov]

27. Have you ever seen a firearms instructor drink tap water ?

Didnt think so .

[slackmaster]

44. Now please make me a drink of grain alcohol and rainwater,

And help yourself to whatever you'd like.

[AtheistCrusader]

42. Some officers and even enlisted will elect to take supplementary shooting courses

particularly those that struggle on military ranges, and need 'brush up'.

I don't see what this has to do with anything. What are you suggesting, that the NRA somehow turned him into a super-human killing machine with his crazy gun-fu skills?

What is your point?

[atreides1]

12. In Virginia...

...it's required for a concealed weapons permit(cwp). All you've got there is the training certificate!

[LaPera]

13. Another NRA nut-case!

[friendly_iconoclast]

16. It's a certificate that he passed a training class. Not a membership certificate.

Are you, too, on the "brainwashing" kick?

[X_Digger]

19. The NRA trains more police, hunters, and gun owners than any other organization..

The NRA teaches hunter safety, basic gun safety, and rifle and pistol marksmanship. How many kids have been saved because of the cable locks that the NRA gives out? How many hunters are alive today because of the tenets they learned from an NRA certified instructor?

[ddeclue]

20. I'm no NRA fan but this is a cheap shot attack.

and no doubt the Army taught him to shoot before the NRA anyways.

Is the NRA or the Army supposed to be able to predict the future 13 years in advance?

:crazy:

[TupperHappy]

21. Oh for God's sake

What possible relevance does a personal protection certificate from over a decade previous have on this murdering bastard's actions a couple of days ago?

Jackass.

[quinnox]

22. lol, so lets blame the NRA for this

Sorry but the only blame for this is with the shooter, not any organizations he was a part of or what religion he belonged too.

Like the previous person said, this post reeks of desperation.

[eqfan592]

23. Wow onehandle....

you've really raised the bar on the bat shit crazy meeter!! WTG!

[PavePusher]

24. From 1996? Really?

And he was supposed to be frozen in time since then. You must be a Buck Rodgers fan.

[benEzra]

25. I don't know about that, but Sgt. Kimberley Munley is apparently a gun enthusiast

and "talented shooter" (ABC News) who grew up right here in eastern NC and shot her first deer when she was 11 years old.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07police.html

Mr. Medley said Sergeant Munley was an advanced firearms instructor for the civilian force, which is used to assist the military police with policing the vast fort, where 150,000 soldiers and their families live and work.

Sergeant Munley’s father, Dennis Barbour, owns a hardware store in Carolina Beach, N.C., and is a former mayor.

She worked as an officer in the Wrightsville Beach Police Department from March 2000 to February 2002, receiving three letters of commendation, Police Chief John S. Carey said. Her marksmanship was impeccable, Chief Carey said.

“She was very friendly and outgoing,” the chief recalled. “She was pretty fearless, considering she is such a small officer.”

She developed a love of shooting as a young girl, her grandmother Monirie Metz said. She killed her first deer when she was 11 on a hunting trip with her grandfather.

She was also an avid surfer as a teenager, attacking the sport with the same verve and courage she showed in other parts of her life, her grandmother recalled.

But when she discovered police work, she found her true calling, Ms. Metz said. “She loves that work,” she said.

Sort of undermines your "gun enthusiasts are evil scum" meme, since the Ft. Hood shooter was not a gun enthusiast but Sgt. Munley was.

[SteveM]

26. This didn't quite work out like you wanted it to, eh? (nt)

[eqfan592]

30. No, I can't imagine it is.

I'd like to feel sorry for the guy, but honestly, when you make stupid-ass comments like this, you deserve to get smacked down. Especially since this is far from the first stupid-ass post of his, though I really do think it raises (or lowers, depending on how your looking at it) the bar a little.

[armueller2001]

28. OH MY GOD!!!

And the terrorists who flew their planes into the World Trade Center were ABC Flight School trained and approved! Those BASTARDS!

Fun Fact - Every year there are thousands of pilots who DON'T fly their planes into buildings.... just like there are millions of gun owners who don't go on shooting rampages.

[beevul]

29. Barbara Graham was million mom/brady approved,

Million Mom Marcher Barbara Graham shoots innocent man Kikko Smith - also known as Barbara Lipscomb.

"You can't tell the kids to stop the violence with the mothers running around like this." --- Mary Ann Smith, after her son was shot by a Million Mom Marcher

After helping to organize the Million Mom March, and even speaking at the event, Barbara Graham shot an innocent man. Now he is paralyzed for life.


Million Mom Marcher Barbara Graham was convicted on nine counts of breaking seven different gun-control laws after she shot construction worker Kikko Smith. Million Mom March (MMM) co-organizer Barbara Graham is also known as Barbara Lipscomb, Barbara Graham, Barbara Martin, Barbara Ann Lipscomb, Barbara Ann Graham, and Barbara Ann Martin.


The press release Woman Sentenced for Shooting and Paralyzing Innocent Unarmed Man from the U.S. Department of Justice lists some of the charges: Assault With Intent To Kill While Armed, Aggravated Assault While Armed, Mayhem While Armed, three separate counts of Possession of a Firearm During the Commission of a Crime of Violence, and other related gun charges.





http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x28948



I'm sorry. Did you have some point you were trying to make?

[taurus145]

31. Good point

My kid went to a driving school, but he still had a wreck. Same same.

[spin]

33. Damn that is an interesting story...

I sure don't want people like this pushing draconian restriction or banning my right to own firearms.

[Howzit]

32. I thought al NRA freeper/teabagger/minutemen were racists?

How could they teach this guy of a different persuasion if he didn't fit in as a typical freeper/teabagger/minuteman?

The NRA teaches the legal use of firearms and gun safety. If you then willfully decide to murder people that is no accident.

[proteus_lives]

35. So is my sister. What's the point?

I know dozens of people who took an NRA course.

I love it when the grabbers and anti-rights crowd grasp at straws. It shows how foolish they are.

[Euromutt]

36. Hasan was also trained and approved by the US Army and USU

USU being the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. He also attended a number of mosques. Are they all tainted by association? If the guy had been Microsoft Certified in some computer skill, would that have tainted Microsoft?

Moreover, the NRA's training courses are run on a franchise basis. Instructors are certified by the NRA, and have to use teaching materials and a curriculum drawn up and supplied by the NRA, but the instructors themselves are independent operators. They are not paid by the NRA; they make their money from class fees.

[pipoman]

39. Com'mon, post a link to

Some DUers seem to think that the NRA is some sort of arm of the military. Put down the freeper/teabagger/minuteman kool-aid and walk away.

They aren't.

back up this utterly and literally, stupidest assertion I have read in years here on DU. One person who has said anything even vaguely resembling your nut job charge here. You could likely gain back the small amount of indifference you once had in this forum if you simply admitted you were intoxicated when you noodled this thread through and posted this tripe.

[jody]

40. As several DUers stated above, the certificate was issued after an applicant for a "CWP" completed a

mandatory handgun training course as certified by Judge Clemens.

"CWP" is for concealed weapons permit.

[1z2z]

41. Could that be...

..Hasan's SSN in the upper left corner of the certificate?

[slackmaster]

43. I believe that is for a course that is required by the state of VA for getting a CCW permit

The NRA didn't train him to be a mass murderer.

So tell me, onehandle, are you afraid that you would become a mass murderer if you took the NRA Personal Protection Course? I've taken a couple of similar ones, and if anything I feel more inclined to actively avoid conflict with people.

[OttavaKarhu]

45. He was also a Muslim.

What does that prove?