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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:59 PM
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Man kills 3 and self in Cleveland Texas.
Was he off his meds? Or maybe he was ON his meds and his meds made him do it?

The important thing is that his right to keep and bear arms was preserved to the very end.

Such A Tragedy, Now Carry On Dying Ya'All!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h4R0p8fIqNQK78Oa8xppQw3tDfKgD9BS9TTO3
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:03 PM
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1. Well, it's obvious that he was DEFENDING himself.
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 08:04 PM by baldguy
edit to add :sarcasm: for the sarcasm impaired.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:09 PM
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2. Man kills teenager while driving drunk.
http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S=11466185

Are you guys going to rant about how drinking should be outlawed? And driving too, of course!

On a side note, my heart goes out to all the people in the OP's story, and mine as well.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:27 PM
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5. Intent to kill with malice aforethought employing technology whose sole purpose is the same.
You may say it makes no difference.

I say it does.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:31 PM
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6. But a gun isn't designed for killing.
You can also paint yellow & hang it on the wall as art.

Yeah, again with the :sarcasm:.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:44 PM
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10. How you fixed for proof? nt
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:13 PM
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3. Yet another one with the order reversed. . .
it's suicide first, then murder. That leaves the most people satisfied.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:22 PM
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4. Agreed.
That would certainly save a lot of people a lot of grief.
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divideandconquer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:35 PM
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7. More watering that tree of liberty with the blood of the innocent
What's a little collateral damage when there's money to be made arming gun nuts?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:36 PM
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8. Well, this story proves it.
All Americans should be stripped of their 2nd Amendment rights. I'm convinced. I'm ready to punish millions who have committed no crimes.

I'm ready to shred the Constitution and make it easier to start removing the others.



Do I need the sarcasm tag?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:40 PM
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9. And in other news..
http://www.kttc.com/Global/story.asp?S=11471713

Associated Press - November 9, 2009 4:04 PM ET

HUDSON, S.D. (AP) - The Highway Patrol says two people died after a crash involving a motorcycle and a car near the southeastern South Dakota town of Hudson.

The victims were identified as 53-year-old Donald Burdick of Hudson and 40-year-old Lori Mae Willette of Delavan, Minn.


The important thing is that his right to drive was preserved to the very end.

http://www.nsc.org/news_resources/injury_and_death_statistics/Documents/Odds%20of%20Dying.pdf

Odds of dying by assault with a firearm? 1 in 23,326 in a year, 1 in 300 over the course of a lifetime.
Odds of dying by motor vehicle accident? 1 in 6,584 in a year, 1 in 85 over the course of a lifetime.

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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:56 PM
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11. Intent to kill with malice aforethought employing technology whose sole purpose is the same.
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 09:08 PM by sharesunited
Maybe you don't see a difference.

But I do.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:58 PM
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12. Those killed by cars are less dead?

The sole purpose of a gun is to propel a projectile at great velocity. What you aim at is up to you.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:01 PM
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13. What you aim at and why you aim at it and pull the trigger is up to you.
And why you are doing it is capricious and unjust.

And why you are doing it is intentional and with malice aforethought.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:05 PM
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17. "And why you are doing it is capricious and unjust."
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 09:10 PM by X_Digger
Tell that to Virginia Hawes..

A 70-year-old Bedford Township woman said Friday she had no choice but to shoot a man coming at her with a shovel.

"I didn't want to hurt him but I didn't want him to hurt me," Virginia Hawes said in an interview at her home in Bedford Hills Mobile Village. "I didn't want to kill him. I just wanted to stop him. If he would have stopped, no one would have gotten hurt."

eta: first link was 404 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kalamazoo_and_battle_creek/Woman_70_not_charged_in_shooting


Yes, I'm sure she was 'capricious and unjust', right?

:sarcasm:
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:16 PM
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18. Virginia definitely gets a pass from me. Now, let's weigh her hide against the 2A dead.
Can we do this by avoirdupois?
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:18 PM
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19. Just think of all the good you could accomplish if you went after...
...the REAL causes of violence, shares. It's such a pity that you don't, and you not only waste your time with this, but force others to waste theirs to waste theirs as well defending their rights from you and your ilk. So very sad indeed.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:44 PM
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20. Speak up and be specific. Who deserves my attention more than the dead getting lead pumped in them?
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:09 PM
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25. you're only paying attention to yourself. nt
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:11 PM
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26. How about education?
If you educate people, maybe they will be less likely to turn to a life of crime and violence? This will stop violent offenders no matter WHAT implement they choose to make use of when perpetrating their violence!

There's others, as well, such as poverty (which is also linked to education). Just food for thought for you, Shares. Because these dead people you supposedly care so much about would be just as dead if a person beat them to death with their own fists, stabbed them, choked them, etc. You can't get rid of violent people with gun control. Pure. And. Simple.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:49 PM
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21. How many "Virginia"s that don't make the news..
.. because they never have to actually fire their firearm, do you suppose? They don't make the news absent other extraordinary circumstances. How many pounds do they count for?

Conservative estimates for defensive gun uses put the number at 120,000 per year, with a majority of those involving nothing more than showing or drawing the gun.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:57 PM
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22. Conservative estimates? Yes, estimates by conservatives who want to spin it that way.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:03 PM
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23. Try the DoJ's National Crime Victimization Survey.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:03 PM
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15. NICE!!
"The sole purpose of a gun is to propel a projectile at great velocity. What you aim at is up to you." You SERIOUSLY nailed it right there, X_Digger! :toast:
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:01 PM
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14. why did the 'Authorities called to check on a family's well-being'.
they must have known something. do authorities check on you? sounds like a homicide waiting to happen.

ellen fl
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:05 PM
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16. Well, it's Texas. A quick Google search indicates a lot of 2A problem solving.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:04 PM
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24. Besides dancing in blood, is there a point to this flame-baiting?
Giddy until snot blows out've their nose, the antis have a thread to troll.
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