Miami-Dade couple dead after `dispute escalated to gunfire'

[struggle4progress]

An estranged Miami-Dade couple are dead after a fight late Thursday that ended in gunfire ... http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/1319815.html

[SteveM]

1. Eleanor still packed (nt)

[struggle4progress]

2. Eleanor was a very public figure and regularly received death threats for her civil rights stance.

She was an extremely gutsy woman, who refused Secret Service protection and began to carry a gun only after federal agents strongly suggested it. In 1958, the KKK announced a $25,000 bounty on her. There were plenty of armed white racists who wanted her dead and made sure she knew it

[SteveM]

3. I am well aware of the circumstances surrounding Eleanor...

The question I have: is her life worth any more than someone else who is similarly threatened? She took reasonable steps in the face of the threat. Others should have that right as well. Unlike Diane Feinstein (a virulent gun-banner who once packed when she felt it was necessary), Eleanor would in all likelihood have defended others to have the same rights she had.

Please note that celebrities, pro athletes, politicians (many anti-gun), and wealthy individuals in NYC can get a "may issue" license for a firearm, but some poor mother with 4 kids in an apartment is unlikely to receive such privileged dispensation.

[eqfan592]

4. Careful now, Steve...

...these folks don't like the racist/classist roots of their beliefs pointed out.

[struggle4progress]

6. Here are several concealed permit carriers in recent news:

Pagans' Defendant Pleads Guilty, Agrees To Testify
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=266548&mesg_id=266548

Man 'Too Fat To Kill' Found Guilty Of Murder
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=266537&mesg_id=266537

[Hoopla Phil]

7. "Man with concealed handgun permit has three defensive gun uses this year "

http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2008/02/man-has-three-defensive-gun-uses-this.html

"Apparently he heard a noise outside, went outside to see what was going on, and related to the detectives that this individual came at him with a knife, and which time he fired a shot," IMPD Sgt. Paul Thompson said.

[struggle4progress]

11. Interesting: guy shoots three people in two months in "self-defense." Your link says

police are investigating his most recent claim. The story is about two years old. What finally happened in the investigation?

[struggle4progress]

12. Florida man shoots and kills fianceé after mistaking her for intruder (Oct 09)

John Tabutt thought his fianceé was in bed next to him, when in fact she was down range from his pistol

A Florida man shot and killed his fianceé early Friday morning after mistaking her for an intruder.

"I thought I had an intruder in the house and I shot the intruder, but the intruder is my wife," John Tabutt, 62, told emergency dispatchers in Winter Springs, Florida ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/deadlineusa/2009/oct/12/usa-gun-crime


This is somewhat more recent than your 2008 story

[Hoopla Phil]

9. " 'only' 80,000–82,000 defensive uses of guns during. . ."

http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/lott.pdf


National Crime Victimization Survey, Cook further states that each
year there are ‘‘only’’ 80,000–82,000 defensive uses of guns during assaults,
robberies, and household burglaries

[friendly_iconoclast]

8. Eleanor was special and *should* have had a carry permit?

OIC, she was of the elite, not one of the grubby proles.

How un-democratic of you!

[Hoopla Phil]

10. I guess some feel that only the elites should be protected.

[slackmaster]

5. How absolutely awful

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