Arnold signs 962

[Katya Mullethov]

AB962, the bill that would restrict ammunition sales in California was signed this past evening by Governor Schwarzennegger. His comments are below:

"To the Members of the California State Assembly: I am signing Assembly Bill 962.

This measure would require vendors of handgun ammunition to keep a log of information on handgun ammunition sales, store ammunition in a safe and secure manner, and require the face to-face transfer of ammunition sales.

[aikoaiko]

1. It's the thumbprint that is really the problem.

Its hard to imagine this got voted and signed into law.

[derby378]

3. Imagine if I, as an election judge, insisted on thumbprinting everyone who voted

It's a Constitutional right. Geez.

[damntexdem]

6. Nope, no constitutional right to ammo.

The SCOTUS claims to guns, but not to ammo. ;-)

[derby378]

8. The presence of guns predicates the availability of ammo

Can't help you there...

[AtheistCrusader]

9. I think you're trying to be funny there

but 'arms' includes propellant and shot.

[slackmaster]

29. Oh yes there is...

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

[Hoopla Phil]

40. Yep it sure does. Just read the Heller decision.

[Arctic Dave]

7. If I remember correctly, in Culliafornia you had to give a retina scan for a drivers license.

[slackmaster]

32. No, a thumbprint and an eye exam

The retina scan is for space shuttle door gunners.

[Arctic Dave]

41. The thumb print is for sure but when I google retina scan I guess they have been

working on this. I guess there is a need for door gunners.

[cabluedem]

46. Thankfully it did. Thanks Arnold for sticking it to the blood soaked gun lobby! nt

[spin]

2. Republicans will screw gun owners faster than Democrats. (n/t)

[DBoon]

4. because they know gun owners have no other place to go

Democrats, on the other hand, have learned to fear the backlash

[spin]

14. Here's the 2006 NRA ratings...

for the House and the Senate. lots of Democrats get high ratings from the NRA:

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?r_id=3492

Also remember that Howard Dean was highly rated by the NRA and Bill Richardson governor of has a concealed carry permit. He's current governor of New Mexico. Both these guys ran in the primaries as potential Presidential Candidates.

In 2003, Richardson backed and signed legislation creating a permit system for New Mexicans to carry concealed handguns. He applied for and received a concealed weapons permit, though by his own admission he seldom carries a gun.<26>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Richardson

[The Green Manalishi]

16. Yep,

Same reason that Democrats can screw people on the environment, gay rights or adventurism abroad- where the hell else are we going to go?

[GreenStormCloud]

44. Unfortunately, it was a Democratic legislature that put the bill on his desk. N/T

[Merchant Marine]

5. Expect a jump

in legal and illegal ammunition sales before this goes into effect in February. I'm sure the gangs that smuggle drugs into California are glad that the state has opened up a new product and a vast consumer base for them to sell to. We'll be seeing gunpowder sniffing dogs at the border checkpoints within a few years.

[divideandconquer]

10. Way to go Arnold!

:fistbump:

[Tejas]

12. Yeah, what state could possibly need tax dollars anyway huh?

[michreject]

17. To those who want to start reloading ammo

and have any questions, feel free to ask me anything. Been doing it for over 30 years.

[westerm]

18. huh

What about this bill is worth of a "fistbump" emoticon?

[appal_jack]

20. Fuck Yeah!!!11!!

Go Republican Gropin' McGovernorator who rode the coat-tails of an Enron-led recall / bloodless coup against Democrat Gray Davis so that the energy companies could bankrupt the state in 2001!!1!1!!!! :fistbump:


Go Ahhhnuld, as you shamelessly further trample on the Constitutional Rights of the people of your adopted state, thus losing-out on tax dollars in the process!11!! Don't worry, the California universities, primary schools, and fire departments won't miss-out on the tax dollars that will now flow to ammo purchases in Nevada and Oregon one bit!1!! :fistbump:


Go "DU'er" named "divideandconquer" for cheering this Republicon intrusive-unconstitutional-nanny-statism on a Democratic website!1!111!! :fistbump:


Lets make thumb-prints required before people exercise ANY Constitutional right!!!11!! Want to hold a banner up on the street corner? Thumb print first down at the local PD, sucka! Need to make a medical decision about your reproductive health and family planning? We'll need some biometric data first, lil' hussy!1! :fistbump:


Fuck Yeah!!11!!1 :fistbump:


-app

Note this post was created by a brain that often processes ironic thoughts and wry humor. May contain :sarcasm:

[divideandconquer]

35. Take it up with Feinstein, Boxer and Newsom

Sometimes even a Republican does something right

[Tejas]

37. "Sometimes even a Republican does something right" - like what?

Cut the amount of taxes coming into the state coffers?

And criminals will give a hoot about this law how?

[friendly_iconoclast]

38. "Right" means sending business to Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona ammo sellers

Because, as several have noted, it would be perfectly legal to drive to those states and buy your ammunition there.

I guess it's the thought that counts...

[appal_jack]

43. If I still lived in Cali, I would.

I admire Boxer greatly and agree with many of her positions, but respectfully disagree with her take on the Second Amendment.

I despise DiFi as the corporate-shill, B*sh-enabling, hypocritical, war-profiteering DINO that she is. Plus, I rather contemptuously disagree with her take on the Second Amendment.

I don't really know enough about Newsom to have a truly informed opinion about him, but disagree with his take on the Second Amendment.

I do support the Democratic Party platform that affirms and upholds the Second Amendment.

-app

[cabluedem]

47. Way to go California!! No more unregistered ammo and owners. nt

[X_Digger]

49. Just like the federal controlled substances act means no more drugs, right?

Sometimes, the stupid, it burns.

[cabluedem]

50. It means that people you dont need guns get caught and sent to prison. I am all for that! nt

[friendly_iconoclast]

51. Except for the ones that bring back ammo from out of state-still legal!

Try and work on those reading comprehension skills, mmkay?

[Tejas]

11. so, I wonder what

Remington and Winchester and Wolf think of this?

Wonder also what Kali will do to replace lost taxes due to decreases in ammo sales?

Wonder how Kali will pay for this new bureaucracy?


Can you say "bailout" for ranges and sporting goods stores?

[TheWraith]

21. If they're smart, they'll do what Barrett did with the .50 BMGs.

Start refusing to sell to California law enforcement until the ban is lifted. The California LEOs can get along without heavy sniper rifles... they can't get along without ammo of any kind.

[Merchant Marine]

25. The other thing the .50 BMG ban did...

Was spawn a new caliber- .510 DTC

This not only evaded the overly specific ban language, it turned out to have better ballistics and hit harder than .50 BMG.

I've already seen a few entrepreneurs on gun forums proposing to re-brand "pistol" calibers as "rifle" calibers to avoid specific caliber restrictions. 10mm Auto becomes 10mm Carbine, .45 Automatic Colt Pistol becomes .45 Automatic Colt Carbine, etc.

No idea on the legality of that, but people are already looking for loopholes.

[Hoopla Phil]

13. This is so stupid on it's face only a Repuck could sight it.

[oneshooter]

34. If I am not mistaken

Both the California Assembly and Senate are controlled by Democrats. So now who do you trust?

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

[GreenStormCloud]

45. But a Democratic legislature passed it. N/T

[jeepnstein]

15. Typical Republican.

[dashrif]

19. This

just in price on web ammo just droped...... after this goes in to effect

I am more sad than happy

Edit for typo

[beevul]

22. Wait for it:: How long until we hear this...

"Previously, we enacted blahblahblah 962, which we believe can still have significant impact here in California. But before any benefits of this can be seen, we MUST convince our neighbors to do the same, because until they do, thier actions are undermining our efforts here in this great state."


Its coming.

Its just a matter of how long.



The failures of gun control are ALWAYS someone elses fault.


Predictable as clockwork, the finger pointing and buck passing that is certain to ensue.

[virginia mountainman]

24. Bloomberg will be running sting operations in Nevada..

It is SO EASY TO BUY ILLIGAL AMMO IN NEVADA, and bring it across the state line....


Damn Republicans....

[slackmaster]

31. It will NOT BE ILLEGAL for a Californian to buy ammo in Nevada

Or to import it into California for personal use.

[virginia mountainman]

42. True, but you know how those repukes, like Arnold, and Bloomberg..

Bend crap around..

And Slack, you must admit, when they passed this law, "the Ammo loophole" in their eyes will exist...

After all, they will need somthing to blame their failure on.

[krispos42]

23. So California boarders 3 states with 1,100 miles of border between them

130 miles of border with Mexico, and maybe another thousand miles of beach that is easily accessable by boat.



Jus' sayin'.

[slackmaster]

30. Please note that the version of the bill that passed says nothing about individuals bringing in ammo

From other states for personal use.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0951-1000/ab_962_bill_20091011_chaptered.html

It does ban most mail-order sales, but there will be no restrictions against driving to Arizona, Nevada, etc., buying ammunition there, and bringing it back to California.

[krispos42]

36. Exactly

California is only about 200 miles wide. Granted, most of the population lives within 20 or 30 miles of the coast, but still...


Maybe if I win the lottery I'll open a store a quarter mile from the California border along I-10 and call it "Stuff you can't buy in California". :evilgrin:



I'll have to open a similar one up outside of Alabama, too, after their recent Supreme Court decision! :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[friendly_iconoclast]

39. The gun dealers of Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon should send Arnold a thank-you note...

...for all the business he will be sending their way.

The stupid, IT BURNS!

[proteus_lives]

26. California gun-owners: "Nevada here we come!"

Another pointless and no-effect law brought to the people of California by gun-grabbers.

Nothing changes.

[X_Digger]

27. Just following in the steps of that other republican, Ronnie Raygun..

.. and the 1967 Mulford Act targeted at the Black Panthers.

[Israfel4]

28. How long before Pelosi brings this to the senate??? n/t

[TheWraith]

33. For one thing, Pelosi is in the House, not the Senate.

Second, she's demonstrated better political skills than that, when she publicly shut down the idea of a new Assault Weapons Ban.

[Euromutt]

48. Maybe israfel meant Feinstein

She of the 1994 AWB, and the "if I'd had 51 votes."