BBC - Illegal gun trade/manufacture

[Xela]

Tough gun control in Britain sparks illegal gun trade and manufacture.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/uk_news/8292525.stm

I found this comment by the judge silly: "Guns kill and maim, terrorise and intimidate." How about guns: help to deter crime, help defend life-family-limb, help equalize.

Xela

[villager]

1. because there are so few gun deaths here in the U.S.?

:shrug:

[Xela]

2. Proof yet again that criminals do not obey laws

The only ones who suffer are law abidding civilians.

Xela

[villager]

3. suffering largely at the wrong end of guns, yes?

n/t

[Treo]

4. Pandora's Box

Guns exist, the technology to make guns exists. They're here and you can't change that. Criminals (by definition) do not obey gun laws. Gun crime still happens in places W/ the strictest gun laws and it's been proven time and a gain that places W/ the most lenient gun laws have lower crime rates.

You can't close Pandora's box you need to come up W/ a different solution.

[villager]

5. and yet, states with lax gun laws have higher rates of gun crime:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/12/05/ST2008120500767.html

[krispos42]

6. Well, that's to be expected

After all, I bet the per-capita snowmobile accident rate is higher in Minnesota than in Florida.


How about we stop forgetting about TOTAL crime rates?

[Treo]

7. You still haven't responded to my main point.

You can't simply abolish guns. Do you have a workable solution?

[PavePusher]

8. You are getting the terminology mixed up.

They do not have higher 'rates' they have higher 'totals', something to be expected in states with higher populations.

Different type of math.

[villager]

9. Take it up with the Washington Post, which uses "rates," in spite of your linguistic preferences

From the article:

The 10 states with the highest crime-gun export rates had nearly 60 percent more gun homicides than the 10 states with the lowest rates. The high-export states also had nearly three times as many fatal shootings of police officers.

· States requiring background checks for handgun sales at gun shows have an export rate nearly half the national average. None of the 10 highest export states, including Virginia, requires the checks, according to the report. Maryland does.

[friendly_iconoclast]

11. OK, it's not your fault the article is inaccurate.

You just read it and quoted it, because?

[friendly_iconoclast]

10. That is untrue. -1 to you for lack of critical reading skills.

The article states that "gun-exporting states", not ones with lax gun laws have a higher crime rate.

If your "higher rates of gun crime" claim were true, states like Vermont and New Hampshire would have *higher*
gun crime rates than Massachusetts. That is very much not the case.

[Euromutt]

12. Ah, a study commissioned by the self-described Mayors Against Illegal Guns

No risk of bias being introduced due to the study working towards a predetermined conclusion there. I bet Massachusetts and Illinois aren't counted as "gun-exporting states," even though that's where many of the many manufacturers are.

[villager]

13. "Ah, a study not commissioned by the NRA, ergo, I'm not allowed to consider it"

n/t

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[AtheistCrusader]

16. One of the prime movers in that band of mayors, my own local Greg Nickels thinks he's immune from

state law. You know, like a criminal?

All in the name of 'gun control', he's attempting to violate state law, even after having been warned off by the State Attorney General.