Sympathy for deranged gun owners

[DFW]

No, not gun owners who are sane and responsible. They need no sympathy, as they know that President
Obama has never had any intention of coming to confiscate their firearms. But pity the nut cases who
think that Fox speaks the truth and that whatever they hear on National Hate Radio is gospel--they are
the ones who must be getting more and more frustrated with every passing (and peaceful) day.

Most gun owners with a brain know perfectly well that Obama has no intention of taking their guns away,
and that any hype to that effect was started by the radical right to drum up support for contributions
to the NRA or to Republican candidates in the last election. There are plenty of paranoids out there,
however, who are totally convinced that an army of "libbruls" and "towel-head" Taliban is really going
to show up on their doorstep any minute now to take their guns away from them by force.

They must be growing tired of waiting. Here they have been waiting, barricaded in their fortresses, armed
to the teeth, stocks of beer and canned pork and beans dwindling, wondering when Obama's agents of socialism
are going to come for their precious firearms. And they must be getting impatient for the fight to begin.
Their frustration will only mount as they discover that it's the absolute worst-case scenario. Not that
Obama has organized the forces of liberalism to take their guns by force, but worse yet--he hasn't and
never intended to.

[Heidi]

1. On the other hand, simultaneously waiting for the rapture probably takes their minds off it

a little, wouldn't ya think?

[Taitertots]

2. Where does that NRA say that Obama is going to confiscate people's guns

I would like you to link to an NRA web page that specifically claims that Obama is coming to confiscate currently legal firearms.


Obama isn't going to come after your guns. He wants to ban new sales of widely popular models. He supported the DC gun ban and the chicago gun bans. He has never backed from supporting another AWB. Various other capricious and imposing rules are supported by Obama.

[Heidi]

3. It's a deftly-crafted misinformation campaign to stir fear.

And some of it is print materials and TV ad campaigns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjV2AWzBQNo
http://www.nraila.org/OBAMA/
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html

[boomerbust]

4. Cold Dead Hands?

[DFW]

6. First of all, I did not say that

I said that that the hype was to foster contributions to them, not that the NRA itself had said so.

But, if you wish, from an NRA site: "But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties." If that isn't
clear enough, then I can't help you. The link was provided by Heidi in post #3.

Fear of confiscation of guns currently legally owned is what the OP was about, and as you noted, "Obama
isn't going to come after you guns." The OP was about people who believe exactly the opposite, nothing else.

[pipoman]

9. Your quote

"But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties."

Is true, surely you aren't denying that Obama has a long history of voting for restrictive gun control, associating with politicians and groups which support restrictive gun control, and has long standing positions which are in favor of restrictive gun control...his record and words have brought this opinion of him by liberal 2nd Amendment interpretation advocates.

Further, support for arbitrary bans of, say, the most popular civilian firearms, results in de facto "come after you guns" beliefs.

[Taitertots]

12. So you can't...

Because they don't.

"But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties."
He was for the DC ban. He is for the Chicago ban. He is for banning the most popular firearms in America. He is for creating a de facto registry.


So when you can produce where the NRA says anything about Obama confiscating people's guns, you can bring them up in an OP about people being afraid that he is.

[pipoman]

5. Those you describe

number similar to animal rights activists who burn furriers, and militant vegans...a subset so small they are hardly worth mentioning let alone blogging about.

OTOH pro gun rights conservatives have been given enough ammunition (so to speak) through Obama's actual words and actions to raise concern among the right and even the fence sitters. Most middle of the roaders believed that Obama will not try to impose any new Federal legislation and voted for him. It would be the kiss of death for him to encourage or worse yet sign new Federal firearms restrictions.

[DFW]

7. Not small enough

They cause harm and violent death in numbers disproportionate to their ranks.

I certainly hope that he would consider new restrictions should a situation arise
that warrants it. Pragmatism dictates keeping an eye on all aspects and acting
should the situation warrant it.

[pipoman]

8. So, admittedly, the situation hasn't actually arisen?

I agree.

[krispos42]

10. Do you deny...

...that it is possible through the legislative process to make gun ownership expensive and burdensome and intrusive without falling afoul of the 2nd amentment?

Do you deny that it is possible to severly restrict the types of firearms available to the civilian market without running afoul of the 2nd amendment?

[JonQ]

13. That's how I like my basic freedoms,

expensive, burdensome and intrusive.

Hey, maybe we should making voting more difficult; charge a fee, make people take a very difficult test, etc. Afterall, selecting the wrong government is a serious risk; one that could potentially kill far more people than lax gun-restrictions.

[Euromutt]

11. Wow, stereotype much?

See, I don't watch broadcast TV, my car radio presets are three NPR stations, two classic rock stations, and the local CBS News affiliate, and I supported Richardson. I think anybody who describes Obama as a socialist doesn't have the first clue what socialism is. I'm a gun owner, but I'm not a single-issue voter, and with McCain's stance on abortion and GLBT rights, there was no way I was going to vote for him even if he'd managed to reprise his 2000 performance; then he picked Palin as his running mate, and there was absolutely no way I'd touch that ticket with a bargepole.

Now I for one don't think Obama has any intentions of "taking my guns away," in the sense of confiscating the firearms I already own, but I have absolutely no doubt that, given the opportunity, his administration would like to make it difficult to impossible for me to acquire new examples of certain types of firearm; not in the least place so-called "assault weapons." Why do I have no doubt? Because that's what it said explicitly on BarackObama.com and Change.gov, and because Attorney-General Holder stated outright that reinstating the manufacturing and import ban on so-called "assault weapons" was an objective of the administration. That is something I would not want to see happen.

I'm not too worried about that anymore, because a sufficiently large number of Congressional Democrats have made it clear they aren't interested in turning the 2010 mid-terms into 1994 redux. Actually, most gun owners appear to have come to that conclusion. I don't know what you consider to be "plenty," but I rather think the people you describe as "paranoid" aren't all that numerous, and certainly not representative of NRA members. I also suspect that "gun owners with a brain" (and I'd like to think I'm one) don't quite match the notion you have of what kind of people they are.

[Tim01]

14. Obama said he intends to ban "assault weapons" and Clinton, Holder, Kerry.........

It's a long list of people in the current administration who say they intend to ban many common guns and ammo.

It's their words. Unless they are just liars.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

15. More like sympathy for deranged posters.