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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:05 AM
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One month, Eight mass shootings, 57 people DEAD.
Enough already. ENOUGH.
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Joe Steel Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:10 AM
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1. This is America
In America all men are created equal. Each has the right to die screaming in agony in a pool of blood.

It's the American way.
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:11 AM
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2. Yeah - knock that shit off you selfish murdering scumbags!
You want to take yourself out, have at it - but leave the rest of us the hell alone.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:25 AM
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3. I don't think it will stop untill the economy gets better.
There is a feeling of hopelessness that is pushing people. And the media is encouraging that wide spread fear.
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Furyataurus Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:31 AM
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4. I don't think they heard you
maybe you should run outside yelling it at the top of your lungs. :sarcasm:
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 02:52 PM
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19. Nice. A gun-lover mocking someone for decrying the recent rash in mass shootings.
Nice to see where YOUR sympathies lie. God forbid anyone should pay attention to the sudden surge in mass shootings. Wouldn't want anyone to think that it's anything but business as usual, eh? Don't want ANYTHING to draw attention to just how easy it is for anyone to get ahold of a gun and go on a shooting spree.
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Furyataurus Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:13 PM
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25. Yeah, its too bad
no one stood up for themselves in NY to stop the gunman or anywhere else. Oops, forgot, 90% of New Yorkers are DEFENSELESS. I know all to well how easy it is for someone to get a firearm who shouldn't have one. What's your plan for disarming criminals?
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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:35 AM
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5. Simple: Get rid of guns!
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:15 PM
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26. No, no, no. Get rid of people. That'll work better.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:52 AM
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6. People who campaign against reasonable gun control laws have blood on their hands.
Knowing these tragedies will occur, but refusing to allow anything to be done about it.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:02 AM
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8.  I repeat a famous line: "It's the economy, stupid!"
And lack of mental health services.

Yeah, let's take a pair of scissors to the Constitution because of emotional reactions to tragedy.

After all, when Bush & Co. did it, it worked so very well....
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:25 AM
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9. And what do you define as "reasonable gun control laws"?
Be specific.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 11:16 AM
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13. How about license, registration & insurance for a start?
Just like a car.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:16 PM
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17. O.K. some comments on your suggestions...
License:

I'm not totally opposed to the concept of a firearms license as long as there isn't a requirement to have a individual license for each firearm I own. The license should be similar to the Florida concealed carry permit that I have in that it would require a background check, certification of training, fingerprinting and a passport photo. The cost should not be prohibitive. A Florida concealed carry permit costs $75 and is valid for seven years. Note that the concealed carry permit issued by Florida allows the licensee to carry whatever weapon he chooses not merely the one he qualified with.

I actually like the idea of requiring completion of a firearms safety course as I have seen at least two people show up at the range with a weapon they had owned for years and when asked by the range master if the firearm was loaded, they were not sure how to check it. Many other newbe shooters had little or no idea of gun safety. Florida started a hunters safety course many years ago and it was successful in reducing hunting accidents.

The license should be shown for purchase of a firearm or ammunition. (Similar to to Scuba certification card.)


Registration:

Since there is no requirement to register firearms in Florida and many other states, I see no need for it. If I have a firearm license as suggested above, law enforcement officials would be aware that I probably own firearms. Registering the weapons might lead to confiscation. If you doubt that this would happen visit this link which discusses gun confiscation in California. http://www.nrawinningteam.com/confiscation/calockyer.html#letters

Registration might also be used as a method of reducing firearm ownership as a draconian fee could be charged for each registered firearm and effectively might be used to deter firearm ownership for the lower middle and poor classes of our society. Gun control has a long history of racism and has often been used to discourage ownership by minorities. If you disagree with this statement I would recommend this link, http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html

Insurance:

I assume you mean liability insurance. I am not aware of any companies that offer such policies, but I would assume that such insurance could be VERY expensive.

To me this sounds like another effort to ensure that only the wealthy have the ability to afford a firearm.


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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 06:37 PM
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23. So how would that stop crimes?
90% of firearms offenders are people who are already legally prohibited from owning a firearm by virtue of prior criminal history.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:15 PM
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27. Damn that pesky 2nd Amendment thing.
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Furyataurus Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:27 PM
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32. Sorry, all 3 of those "suggestions"
are UNconstitutional already. Do you have a license to exercise your 1st Amendment, are you registered to use your 4th, 5th and 6th amendments??? what about insurance for the 8th Amendment? How would you like to be "rationed" one constitutional amendment a month? And no, you don't get "rollover" amendments.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:46 AM
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12. victims of gun violence
these poor at-risk youth, victimized by gun violence. From rape, assault, petty thievery as juveniles to armed robbery and gunning down police officers in the street, all this could have been prevented had Roger Bacon neglected to write down the formula for gunpowder in 1215. It was guns, poverty, inadequate toilet training made them boys go bad. The economy drove those "men" to shoot-up some rival gangbangers house and kill little kids in the crossfire.

It's unfair, those folks who testified against them at trial only saw their bad side, they should have looked past the gun stuck in their face at the loving brother, son and father behind the ski-mask..............

Cheering Lovelle Mixon

Howard Cain

Levon Warner

Eric Floyd
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 02:44 PM
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18. Oops. Dupe
Edited on Wed Apr-08-09 02:45 PM by rrneck
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 03:31 PM
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20. The problem is that no one
has proposed any reasonable laws lately. There have been lots of proposals, but none reasonable. At least, none from the point of view of the STATED goals of the legislation.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:21 PM
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30. No they don't. The person that commits murder does.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:00 AM
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7. Yes, people should stop shooting each other
If you want to die, do it alone.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:17 PM
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28. Yes, it should be illegal to murder someone. Make murder illegal and save people already!
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:27 AM
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10. Because mass shootings simply don't happen in countries/states with strict gun control laws.....
:sarcasm:
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:46 AM
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11. Not with the frequency they happen here in the US
But I suppose you probably think that 8 mass shootings within a month is perfectly normal, nothing to cause alarm over.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 11:26 AM
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14. They are tragedies, not a reason to enact restrictions on Constitutional rights.
Edited on Wed Apr-08-09 11:35 AM by friendly_iconoclast
I suppose you can assure us *your* 'reasonable restrictions' would be more reasonable than Bush's
'reasonable restrictions', eh?

Because you're more sincere. Or something.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 12:31 PM
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15. Ah, but there are already a few 'reasonable' restrictions in place
You can't go into a store and buy a gun without a background check. Do you consider that an unreasonable restriction on your right to own a gun?

You either accept that government can place reasonable restrictions on an individual's rights, or you should argue that there should be no restrictions at all. And if you believe that to be the case, then one should accept that a convicted felon should be allowed to purchase a handgun immediately after serving his/her sentence, or that there should be no child-safety regulations for gun storage, etc.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:09 PM
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16. And I support the ones that are there already
The National Firearms Act of 1934, the Gun Control Act of 1968,
and the Brady instant background checks (NICS).

The Supreme Court has given a standard in Heller vs DC,
"in common use" and not "unusual or dangerous".

In fact, I would advocate opening the NICS to private sellers. Charge them just enough to cover
the cost of using the system.
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yay Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 03:45 PM
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21. Have you ever bought a firearm from a dealer? nt
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:50 PM
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24. Yes- legally, of course
At the time there wasn't any background check, but I did have to fill out the ATF form
and show ID to the gun shop guy.

Frankly, I got bored with it after a month or so and sold it to a guy I knew from the
shooting range I frequented. Never did get another gun.
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Furyataurus Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:20 PM
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29. Wow
I find it hard to believe that someone like you would DENY someone their RIGHTS after they have served their TIME!!!!!!
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DrCory Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 05:23 PM
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22. And Your Solution Is? N/T
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:22 PM
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31. To gripe about gun owners and blame them for the wackos. That'll work.
Edited on Wed Apr-08-09 10:30 PM by Hoopla Phil
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