Wait, so let me get this straight

[hendo]

the anti-gun nuts want to disprove the far right's claim that the democrats will outlaw fire arms by.. get this, outlawing firearms?

Seriously, wtf?

[Skittles]

1. link?

[hendo]

2. browse the gun forums.

[msongs]

4. no links nt

[hendo]

8. I am not going to link you to the hundreds of anti-gun nuts here

that advocate making all fire arms illegal.

[aquart]

12. So overstating the case.

[hendo]

15. i pointed you anti-gun guys in the right direction

I am not going to do all your work for you. Heck, many of the complaints in this thread are from the same people who want to outlaw guns. It is so refreshing to know that you don't even recognize yourselves, because a majority of Americans don't recognize you either..

[rl6214]

3. I think that about covers it.

[tekisui]

5. Can you show me legislation being proposed?

[Tim01]

6. How about this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=212158&mesg_id=212158

[Howzit]

11. Maybe this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x212694

[Flash Bazbo]

53. So Pelosi is working to find a compromise...

between an outright ban of assault weapons and an outright free for all proliferation of said weapons in America. Wow. How tyrannical can she get, eh?

[X_Digger]

56. If that were the case, that would be compromise..

You give some, you take some- compromise.

Seems the only compromise seen recently is between 'take everything I want' and 'take everything you'll let me take'.

(You do realize that nobody's proposing relaxing gun regulation, just enforcing ones already on the books, right?)

[hendo]

59. Pelosi is working to find a compromise between what she wants

and what she want more.

[TankLV]

7. another day, another idiot gun nut...

no surprise there...

[hendo]

9. you make such a compelling case

stop being a dick.

[MercutioATC]

13. One has to be a "gun nut" to oppose firearm bans?

I own two guns, a Glock 19 and a Marlin 7000 .22 rifle. Neither are dreaded "scary assault weapons".

I still don't support an "assault weapon" ban...because there's no real difference between an "assault weapon" and almost every other firearm, except that "assault weapons" look "scary". Banning a firearm based not on any real criteria, but by how it looks, is stupid.

[pipoman]

10. For those asking for links

do you really need links to the Attorney General and Secretary of State calling for a new assault weapons ban? Do you need a link to whitehouse.gov to show the President's position on the assault weapons ban?

I agree with the OP, if gun control is not in fact a goal of the President and the party leaders, then it is time (past time) to demonstrate the same. If it is, (and I believe it is obvious that it is) it is time to quit waffling and outline the plan. Dishonesty about it will kill our party's position just as fast as implementing more demonstrable useless regulations.

[dashrif]

14. Well

I think some in the DU think it will be a conspiracy theory until the ink dries on the bill

side note on this (Pelosi indicated that new regulations might entail registration and prohibitions on transporting some firearms across state lines...)
even if I omit the registration part :puke: the transporting some firearms across state lines is shit I hunt p-dogs and sometimes use an hi-cap carbine that some would call an assault weapon so "some firearms"= my main p-dog gun :puke:

[hendo]

16. wait

so Pelosi wants to push forward a bill so that people can't hunt across state lines unless they are willing to purchase and store a fire arm in the state in which they want to hunt?

We might as well just give the republicans back thier seats now.

[rl6214]

18. Agreed

Cuz that's what's gonna happen if Pelosi, Shumer, McCarthy and the like start trying to ram through new gun laws.

[asdjrocky]

17. I wonder if you've ever known anyone ripped apart by an assault rifle.

[rl6214]

19. I have

He died in Afghanistan.

[asdjrocky]

20. Yeah, me too.

They both died just down the street from me. I saw the whole thing. In America.

[wow that sucks]

22. Assault Weapon Ban legislation would have done nothing to prevent that. nt

[rl6214]

23. I am truly sorry that happened

But I seriously doubt it was a true AK47.

[yay]

25. Right...

I didn't know full auto assault rifles were readily and legally available here in the U.S.

[hendo]

26. technically to be classified as an assault rifle in the US, it does not have to be fully automatic

According to the last AWB an assault weapon is a firearm that has at least one of the following:

-Folding or telescoping stock
-Conspicuous pistol grip
-Bayonet mount
-Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
-Grenade launcher
-Barrel shroud

[rl6214]

28. Uh Huh

And we all know how much sense that one made.

[yay]

29. Assault weapon and assault rifle are 2 different things.

Course, what do I really expect from a group of people that think .50 rifles can shoot out too 4 miles.

[hendo]

33. um, you are attacking someone who agrees with you. NT

[yay]

35. No

I was just stating, if it came out as an attack my appologies

[jmg257]

30. You did it yourself - assault WEAPON vs assault RIFLE.

'Assault Weapon' has a legal definition to it, although it does tend to change with each ban attempt, it is usually based on a semi-auto action firearm with a detachable magazine and 1 or 2 of those cosmetic features (2 in the old federal and current NY ban). Or just a hi-cap mag.

An 'assault rifle' is something different, based on a full-auto / select fire action.

[rl6214]

32. The assault rifle therefore

Is already very regulated and the assault weapon laws are just a feel good waste of time.

[jmg257]

34. Yep - that about summarizes it! nt

[hendo]

36. Sorry, you are right

an assault rifle has a slightly different set of guidelines

- It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
- It must be capable of selective fire;
- It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
- Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.

[asdjrocky]

31. Patrick Purdy. Stockton Ca.

And you sir, are an idiot.

[rl6214]

37. If you look that incident up

You will find that it was a semi auto weapon used, not full auto.

[asdjrocky]

39. I said it was an assault rifle.

What in the hell is wrong with you people? Man, I got to this forum by accident because I had a thread moved here that I was half joking on. You guys can be sure I won't be checking into this again any time soon.

[rl6214]

40. Define assault rifle

An assault rifle is a rifle designed for combat, with selective fire (capable of shooting in both fully automatic and semi automatic modes).

The Stockton weapon used was not an assault rifle.

[asdjrocky]

41. So I guess it was just called a Type 56 assault rifle for fun right?

Which is also desigignated as a simi-automatic rifle. I do know it puts big holes in little children.

[rl6214]

42. You replied to this

"I didn't know full auto assault rifles were readily and legally available here in the U.S."

I just pointed out the error in your post here

"Patrick Purdy. Stockton Ca."

Call it what you like, it was not a full auto weapon.

[friendly_iconoclast]

43. You confused two things with similar names. We just pointed out your error

My sympathies to the victims and their families, but the guy down the street from you
did not, in fact, use an assault rifle (legally a machine gun).

Calmate, ese!

[Pullo]

44. Assault weapon vs. assault rifle

This may help you understand the difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjM9fcEzSJ0

[Hangingon]

47. According to Wikipedia (blush) Purdy had a semi....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockton_massacre

It was a Chinese semi auto derivative of the Soviet AK.

[benEzra]

63. Purdy used a non-automatic civilian rifle (a Norinco, IIRC)

identical in every way to a Ruger Mini Thirty deer rifle except for looks; it was NOT an NFA Title 2/Class III restricted assault rifle. That bastard murdered 5 children; thankfully, the vast majority of those shot survived (in part because the rifle used was low velocity and relatively low energy). And banning protruding handgrips would have made no difference in that regard.

The VT shooter murdered over six times as many people with an ordinary 9mm pistol. Purdy hardly makes the case that small- and intermediate-caliber civilian rifles with modern styling are a grave threat, particularly since rifle homicides are rare to start with.

[Hugabear]

45. As you can see, the DU gun lobby has quickly descended on your story, nitpicking you to shreds

Was it an assault rifle or an assault weapon...

...was it REALLY a full-auto AK-47...

blah blah blah...

...you don't really know what you're talking about do you...

And in their minds, probably thinking "Probably just made up the whole story, dumb gun-grabber"


Seems to be the modus operandi. Nitpick a post to death, wait for someone to say something that's not technically correct, and then pounce on them and say they don't know what they're talking about. Completely ignore the primary issue, that being the easy access of guns in this country to anybody who wants them.

[friendly_iconoclast]

48. Factual accuracy *is* important when discussing the subject.

DU should be more reliable than,say, Free Republic or Fox (ahem) "News"

[Hugabear]

62. Was the poster on a witness stand? Are you the opposing lawyer?

The poster stated that two people down the street from him had been ripped apart by an assault rifle. And how does the DU gun-lobby react? By badgering him. "Was it an assault RIFLE or an assault WEAPON, hmmmmm? If you don't know that answer, then you don't know what you're talking about, and therefore we have every reason to doubt your story, hmmmm!

[rl6214]

64. You people

Keep saying "AK47". It was not an AK47. Period. AK47s have been banned for years.

[Hugabear]

65. "You people"?

Show me WHERE in his post asjdrocky mentioned "AK47". He said that someone down his street had been gunned down by an assault rifle.

Do you want to call him a LIAR because he used the wrong terminology? Feel free to do so, be my guest!

[yay]

49. Right

"Completely ignore the primary issue, that being the easy access of guns in this country to anybody who wants them"

And how would further legislation against the law abiding prevent that?

[friendly_iconoclast]

50. It would make us safer in the same way torturing prisoners made America safer

That is to say, not at all.

[hendo]

61. Thats not what Cheney told us.

:sarcasm:

[Pullo]

54. Legislation based on ignorance...

...is totally hip these days, haven't you heard?

[hendo]

60. ya know, you are right

those evil hunters should not have access to thier guns. in fact anyone who legally wants a fire arm should not be allowed to have one..

I would bet that criminals would still have them.

[guardian]

52. Hey I have an idea!

Let's pass a law banning Murder. Then there will be no more murders. Maybe we could put up some signs that say "This is a murder free zone."

[wow that sucks]

21. And banning guns in AMERICA would have helped him.

:sarcasm:

[asdjrocky]

24. Look, I don't want to ban guns.

Hell, I own guns. And you're being quite an idiot for someone so new.

[Scout]

27. that one is dining on pizza now.... n/t

[Name removed]

38. Deleted message

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[Hangingon]

46. I have a friend who took three rounds from an NVA AK.

[friendly_iconoclast]

51. We need to take their guns because only the paranoid say we will take their guns

This reminds me of:

"Of course they were conspiring to assasinate me. How do I know this?
Because there is no evidence of a conspiracy. If there was any evidence, there would be no conspiracy!"

Can't remember where I read that...

[hendo]

57. Woody Allen had a line

he was asked, "Do you know what they call a person who thinks everyone is out to get them?"

Woody says, "Perceptive."

[depakid]

55. Let me get this straight

Some folks can't read well- and can't figure- so they react emotionally and post stupid things?

[hendo]

58. just more of the same?

don't you ever add anything to a discussion?