The Republicans in the Brady Campaign have declared war on us!!

[virginia mountainman]

http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/politics/obama-transition-memo.pdf

What a huge stinking pile of bullshit..

[iverglas]

1. The Martians on the moon have their missiles trained on you!

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[Scout]

40. why don't you get one of those gold star things and do your own research? n/t

[st33ve0]

2. Really?

You really think the Brady Campaign is run by Republicans? That's like saying PETA is filled with conservatives...

[Mad_Cow_Disease]

3. Don't you know? PETA is a division of Oscar Meyer. n/t

[SteveM]

10. When your latest ha-ha conspiracy joke subsides, please edumacate yourself (nt)

[st33ve0]

13. OK, maybe they ran on Republican tickets, but they're definitely RINOs.

I still don't understand how a person shot by a .22 while performing a job that can and does involve taking a bullet for the president is now pissed that he got shot and has become the impetus for banning "assault weapons". How about we just make it a crime to shoot people or shoot at them and stop trying to regulate inanimate objects that don't cause crime...

[iverglas]

15. and while you're at it

How about we just make it a crime to shoot people or shoot at them and stop trying to regulate inanimate objects that don't cause crime...

Do make anthrax available by mail order, and do away with all that vehicle licensing stuff, eh?

Anthrax doesn't kill people. People who send anthrax through the mail kill people!

[st33ve0]

18. Slippery Slope

Firearms and more specifically "Assault Weapons" are meant for personal protection which is guaranteed under the second amendment. Anthrax is an indiscriminate killer and is biological warfare which isn't even legal for the military. It serves no purpose under the second amendment.

[iverglas]

20. who cares?

The firearm doesn't care what it's meant for, I don't think.

And who the hell was talking about the second amendment? Yeesh.

[st33ve0]

23. What?

This is a thread about the Brady Campaign, not talking about 2A is akin to talking about Godwin's law without mentioning Hitler or Nazis.

What the hell does it matter what the gun thinks? It's a tool, the criminals are the ones that do the thinking and they are the only ones that need regulation, not the non-thinking inanimate object.

[iverglas]

16. that's a fascinating theory, btw

I still don't understand how a person shot by a .22 while performing a job that can and does involve taking a bullet for the president is now pissed that he got shot

Apart from your stupid characterization of Brady's response to the event -- he was a press secretary.

Can you show us the bit in the job description for "press secretary" that says "a job that can and does involve taking a bullet for"?

Any other jobs you can think of that involve this? I guess if it's an ex post facto reasoning sort of thing, working at a gas bar can and does involve taking a bullet for Exxon. I'm thinking I'll stay self-employed.

[st33ve0]

19. Brady Bunch

While you may not agree with my characterization, that is only your opinion. Although it may not have been expressly written in Brady's job description he was still in the way of bullets flying at the President and he performed wonderfully at absorbing the barrage. Your sweeping generalizations are amazing by the way. It should also be noted that James Brady became so ardently pro gun control after receiving a severe head injury.

[iverglas]

21. I'm sorry

but

Although it may not have been expressly written in Brady's job description he was still in the way of bullets flying at the President and he performed wonderfully at absorbing the barrage.

that's just weird.

[st33ve0]

24. ok...

If you're standing next to the president you should realize that you might get shot, doubly so if you're Secret Service. People like to shoot at presidents they don't like, why Hinckley Jr. wanted to shoot such a great man as Reagan is beyond me though. Basically instead of whining about being shot and wanting to ban all firearms he should have whined and called for a heavier punishment for murder and attempted murder. It should also be noted that the shooting took place in DC where carry of firearms especially handguns has been a serious issue as of late. Here we are months later after the Heller decision and the people of our own nation's capital are still oppressing the citizens, allowing criminals to run wild and do as they wish. Care free in the fact that only the citizens who break the law will be ready to give the criminals what they deserve.

[jmg257]

28. Reagan a great man? DO you think he was a great president too? nt

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[jmg257]

30. Ahh - and what socialist would that be - anyone specific?

[st33ve0]

36. Ummm

Is there some other socialist coming into power on January 20th that I didn't know about?

[yodoobo]

22. I think that anyone shot is fully entitled

to be pissed about getting shot.

[st33ve0]

26. Yeah,

but they should be pissed at the person that shot them, not the object that had no choice in the matter!

[virginia mountainman]

4. I don't think that they are...I KNOW..

Facts are easily proven..

Paul Helmke, President. REPUBLICAN

Helmke defeated Democratic incumbent Mayor Winfield C. Moses, Jr. in 1987. Helmke won re-election in 1991 and 1995. He did not seek re-election in 1999.

In 1980, Helmke ran in the Republican primary for the then Fourth Congressional District open seat in Indiana to replace Dan Quayle who was running for U.S.Senate; he was defeated by Dan Coats, who later went on to serve as U.S. Senator from Indiana and as the U.S. Ambassador to Germany. In 1998, he won the Republican primary for the U.S. Senate to replace retiring incumbent Republican Dan Coats, but lost to Democrat Evan Bayh in the general election. In 2002, Helmke unsuccessfully challenged incumbent U.S. Representative Mark Souder in the Republican primary for the Third Congressional District in Ind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Helmke

Sara Brady, Republican

For the next ten years, she worked actively in various capacities within the Republican Party. She served as Assistant to the Campaign Director at the National Republican Congressional Committee from 1968 to 1970. In 1970, Sarah joined the staff of U.S. Representative Mike McKevitt (R-CO) as an Administrative Aide. She held the same position in Congressman Joseph J. Maraziti's office (R-NJ) from 1972-1974. During the next four years, Mrs. Brady was Director of Administration and Coordinator of Field Services for the Republican National Committee.

http://www.bradycenter.org/about/jimandsarahbio.php

[derby378]

5. A lot of Brady luminaries were indeed Republicans, including Paul Helmke and Sarah Brady...

This past year, however, they've been making more personal contributions to Democratic campaigns. And the BC itself funds far more Democrats than it does Republicans.

Still, the end result is that it hurts the Democratic Party in the long run.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[iverglas]

9. "this past year"?

What, you're pretending never to have seen the history of Sarah Brady's political contributions that I have posted over and over at this site?

Ted Kennedy has been a major beneficiary, among other Democratic luminaries. A solitary Republican -- Michael Castle, I believe a homeboy of Brady's, and a staunch firearms control advocate -- has received money from her.

It is just so entertaining how 99.99% of the politicians cited with approval in this forum by firearms control opponents are Republican -- practising Republicans -- and how when this is pointed out, the silence is deafening.

That wiki tidbit about Brady is so outdated now as to be nothing but laughable, desperate spinning.

How surprising is it that an advocacy group draws on bipartisan resources and support ...

[davepc]

6. Well...it is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Helmke

Walter Paul Helmke, Jr. (born 1948) is a U.S. politician, and president of the Washington, DC-based Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a position he has held since July 1, 2006. He is a former mayor of Fort Wayne, Indiana and a former president of The United States Conference of Mayors.

...

Helmke defeated Democratic incumbent Mayor Winfield C. Moses, Jr. in 1987. Helmke won re-election in 1991 and 1995. He did not seek re-election in 1999.

In 1980, Helmke ran in the Republican primary for the then Fourth Congressional District open seat in Indiana to replace Dan Quayle who was running for U.S.Senate; he was defeated by Dan Coats, who later went on to serve as U.S. Senator from Indiana and as the U.S. Ambassador to Germany. In 1998, he won the Republican primary for the U.S. Senate to replace retiring incumbent Republican Dan Coats, but lost to Democrat Evan Bayh in the general election. In 2002, Helmke unsuccessfully challenged incumbent U.S. Representative Mark Souder in the Republican primary for the Third Congressional District in Indiana.

And Mrs. Brady herself has a lifetime of service in the Republican party going back decades and said this during the signing of the Brady Bill....

I'd like to draw attention also to another President, who we feel very close to, President Ronald Reagan, who supported it and came out for the Brady Bill, and who made it a badge of honor for Republicans -- (applause) -- and brought this bill into the arena where it was not a partisan issue.

Good to know that Sarah feels very close to the ultimate right-wing mysigonist asshole of US politics in the past 30 or so years.

[SteveM]

8. To the uninitiated: The Brady Campaign is run by Repubs. Clear now?

[Recursion]

38. Umm... you know where the "Brady" in "The Brady Campaign" comes from?

Sarah Brady, Republican wife of the Republican Press Secretary James Brady, remember them?

[slackmaster]

7. Jeez, that almost reads like black propaganda

I think they're going to be disappointed. People who demand everything often end up getting nothing.

[biermeister]

11. here's a bill that was just introduced-

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d111:2:./temp/~bd9fLq:@@@L&summ2=m&|/bss/d111query.html|

what do you think of it?

the link is for shit- look it up it's H.R.45

[derby378]

14. Yikes!

Thank you so much for sharing.

This bill is essentially a nationwide semi-auto ban - one that also outlaws civilian possession unless you're issued a special license by the Attorney General. Or if you're a "licensed collector."

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h45ih.txt.pdf

Almost forgot - you'll have to renew that license every five years.

It's known as the privilege to keep and bear arms, not the right.

[st33ve0]

25. Yikes is right...

"No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms.
The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

-Thomas Jefferson

"When the government fears the people there is liberty;
when the people fear the government there is tyranny."

-Thomas Jefferson

"If someone is so fearful, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all!"

-Representative Henry A. Waxman

[iverglas]

12. oh, btw

Who "we", white chap?


for the uninitiated: http://www.google.ca/search?num=30&hl=en&safe=off&q=%22What+do+you+mean+%22we%22%2C+white+man%3F%22+tonto&btnG=Search&meta=

[bossy22]

17. that is list is just silly

atleast half of those proposals violate the second amendment...i hate to break it to them but they cant ignore the second any longer...its the law of the land. They seem to forget that safe storage was deemed unconstitutional unless it is done to apply retroactively (meaning you can be charged if a child gets hold of your handgun but storing out in the open or in an easy to get area in itself is not a crime)

[AtheistCrusader]

27. There's some good stuff mixed in..

with the bad. For instance, additional sentences imposed for using firearms in the commission of a crime should be sequential, not concurrent. Has anyone considered working WITH them on some of these items, in exchange for perhaps dropping some of the bad bits?

[virginia mountainman]

31. How do you work with..

Proven liars, who have a hidden agenda??

[AtheistCrusader]

32. Join Congress?

[jmg257]

33. HA! Good one! :)

[virginia mountainman]

34. HA HA!!

:spray:

[Statistical]

35. Nice.

[X_Digger]

37. I laughed, I cried..

So true, and yet so sad ;)

[dusmcj]

41. 'common sense' - now THERE's an oxymoron ! as in 'morons' /nt