Pro-gun organization - in Canada - link

[old mark]

There seem to be several rabid anti-gun folks on this forum who are or were Canadians.
I thought I'd like to bring a site to their attention, and to the attention of everyone else here. Canadians are fighting back at the fascist anti-gun extremists in their own nation, and maybe it would be a good idea to email them and let them know Democrats are not all anti-gun people. There are also some links to other Canadian sites of interest.

http://vaxxine.com/scon/default.eht

Hope many of you explore this site, and enjoy it.

Thanks for reading this post.

mark

[HeresyLives]

1. Canadians have lots of guns.

What we don't have is a 'gun culture.' Guns are for hunting, and protection in isolated areas. And of course people practice with them, and hold competitions.

But they've never been for settling personal disputes, or carrying, in a town or city. Canada never had a 'wild west'. No gunslingers, no shoot-outs at high noon and so on. In fact, our 'cowboys' played polo.

However, in our largest cities, we now have problems with drug gangs shooting it out on the street, so politicians have moved to ban all kinds of guns. Naturally this annoys rural people who only shoot ducks.

There are other easier solutions, but it's the first one politicians think of. We also have a small crowd of ultra-right types who do the 'cold dead hand' routine, and that just aggravates the situation by introducing a 'gun culture' concept.

[SteveM]

2. Do you think Canadian gun bans might develop a culture there?

[HeresyLives]

4. I doubt it.

It's mainly members of the Conservative party, and they only represent about a third of the country. It's just that they're in areas that aren't as populated, like the province of Alberta. Alberta is enormous in size, but has fewer people than the city of Toronto in the province of Ontario.

In any case, it's a little late to start a gun culture, because the frontier days are long over, and it was never part of our mythology or image. Even Albertans have computers and hi-def TV.

[iverglas]

7. to be even more precise

It's mainly members of the Conservative party, and they only represent about a third of the country.

It's actually only a minority of Conservative voters / party members. Conservatives in the Atlantic provinces, for instance, or Conservative voters in Quebec, have no truck with this right-wing yahoo gun militancy.

Rural / ex-urban Ontarians, well, there are some right-wing yahoos among them, fer sure.

[gorfle]

9. "Guns are for hunting"

What we don't have is a 'gun culture.' Guns are for hunting, and protection in isolated areas. And of course people practice with them, and hold competitions.

The primary purpose of firearm ownership has nothing to do with hunting, competitions, or even, to a large degree, personal self-defense.

Refusal to acknowledge this fact is the root problem with most attempts to regulate firearm ownership.

[iverglas]

12. blah blah blah

The primary purpose of firearm ownership has nothing to do with hunting, competitions, or even, to a large degree, personal self-defense.

Refusal to acknowledge this fact is the root problem with most attempts to regulate firearm ownership.


The "primary purpose of firearm ownership" is WHATEVER THE FIREARM OWNER'S PRIMARY PURPOSE IS.

Refusal to acknowledge that fact just makes the person doing it look moronic.

[gorfle]

14. Whatever, Iverglas.

The "primary purpose of firearm ownership" is WHATEVER THE FIREARM OWNER'S PRIMARY PURPOSE IS.

Refusal to acknowledge that fact just makes the person doing it look moronic

Whatever, Iverglas. The reason everyone should own a gun is to shoot tyrants. This was the reasoning behind our founders' enumeration of this right in our Constitution.

If you want to argue that because some people buy them for other things like mantle decorations that firearms are really intended for mantle decorations, knock yourself out. Don't be surprised when I don't indulge your attempts to frame the debate in terms of mantle decorations, though.

Likewise I won't indulge attempts to frame firearm ownership through hunting.

[iverglas]

3. Oh. My. God.

There simply are no depths to which you will not stoop, are there?

The Sporting Clubs of Niagara:

Liberals depise gun owners and will not miss any opportunity to blame us for the mess they have created.

Now, I'm no Liberal. But on the other hand, the Liberals aren't quite the Conservatives. And if I did not live in a relatively safe NDP riding (at least, a riding in which the Conservatives don't have a snowball's chance), I would probably be voting Liberal. (It's called "strategic voting", and it's what people in multi-party systems that still use the first-past-the-post electoral system sometimes do in order to cast a vote against a particular party, i.e. vote for the party most likely to defeat the unwanted party, rather than vote for the most wanted party.)

You do know -- of course you know, I know you know -- that we are having a federal election here in Canada on this very day, as we speak.

So now you can tell us what your opinion would be of an organization in the U.S. whose website said, during this U.S. federal election campaign:

"Democrats depise gun owners and will not miss any opportunity to blame us for the mess they have created."

C'mon. Tell us.


Your website there includes this:



You click on it, and you get this:

A Voter’s Guide For Gun Owners
Firearm Mathematics for the 2008 Federal Election
Vote Conservative = Keep your guns
Vote Liberal, NDP or Green = Lose your guns
... If you value your firearms and your right to use them to hunt and shoot you only have one choice
- VOTE CONSERVATIVE in the 2008 federal election.

So tell us again. Tell us what your opinion would be of an organization in the U.S. whose website said, during this U.S. federal election campaign:

"Vote Democrat = Lose your guns ... VOTE REPUBLICAN in the 2008 federal election".


Many people in the US actually don't want to see another Conservative government in Canada. Do you disagree with them?


There are also some links to other Canadian sites of interest.

Indeed ... http://vaxxine.com/scon/links.htm

Garry Breitkreuz. There is no politician in Canada who has fought harder for the rights of gun owners than this Conservative MP.

Yes sirree. Garry Breitkreutz, friend to all right-wing assholes in Canada. Think "Rick Santorum", and you'll be on the right track. If you've never heard the old saw, "If you like down with dogs, you will get up with fleas", you really might want to contemplate it.

Canada Free Press Good writing from a conservative standpoint on a large number of topics.

The Canadian Conservative Forum Lots of good writing on a broad range of issues by conservative and libertarian authors.

The Cato Institute An American libertarian think tank. Publishes many excellent books, such as "The Samuria, the Mountie and the Cowboy" by David Kopel.

The National Rifle Association America's premier pro-gun organization. Over the past twenty five years, Canadian pro-gun forces have lost just about every battle they have fought. It's nice to read about a country where gun owners win more political battles than they lose.

Etc. You just got no shame at all, do you?

Hey, allow me to particularly recommend http://www.canadafreepress.com/

Dow Up 1,0000: Democrats Break Out in Cold Sweats!

McCain’s Prospects Depend on Telling Truth About Obama
By Phyllis Schlafy
Obama’s scary agenda, Acorn, Ayers

and lots, lots more.

No shame. Shame.


Oh, Lordy. Again, from the website:

Support the Bruce Montague C-68 challenge.

Do you actually not remember these things??

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=176590&mesg_id=176598

It's still fucking sad.



There seem to be several rabid anti-gun folks on this forum who are or were Canadians.

If you are going to call someone out, the least you can do is name him/her and give him/her notice you are talking about him/her.

In my experience, an overwhelming majority of people who are or were Canadians are not rabid, and are not opposed to inanimate objects. Do you know someone I don't know?

[Tejas]

8. rofl !

HeresyLives
There seem to be several rabid anti-gun folks on this forum who are or were Canadians.


iverglas
If you are going to call someone out, the least you can do is name him/her and give him/her notice you are talking about him/her.

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Still trying to make it all about you, eh?

Please wait your turn like everybody else.


:rofl:

[iverglas]

10. indeed

You say:

HeresyLives
There seem to be several rabid anti-gun folks on this forum who are or were Canadians.

I have no idea why or even how you would say that. Here is the fact:

old mark
Tue Oct-14-08 11:06 AM
Original message
Pro-gun organization - in Canada - link

There seem to be several rabid anti-gun folks on this forum who are or were Canadians. ...

HeresyLives is Canadian, but I've never seen him/her here before. We don't get along really well. It's HeresyLives's party I was defending here -- the Liberals.

Are there some other "rabid anti-gun folks on this forum who are or were Canadians" here I'm not familiar with? I think one or two other Canadians have posted here occasionally.

What I can't imagine is anyone thinking that the person actually being referred to by old mark isn't me.

That includes you.

Of course, I can't imagine you posting anything that has anything to do with anything, either.

[HillbillyBob]

5. Our household is liberal democrat and we have guns,

my ancestors were all liberals and had guns going back as far as the
French and Indian war, and before.

[iverglas]

6. zippity doodah

I guess this fascinating fact is somehow related to the subject of the thread ...


FYI, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and_Indian_War

... Because there had already been a King George's War in the 1740s, British colonists named the second war in King George's reign after their opponents, and thus it became known as the French and Indian War. This traditional name remains standard in the United States, although it obscures the fact that American Indians fought on both sides of the conflict. ...

In Canada, both French- and English-speaking Canadians refer to it as the Seven Years' War (Guerre de Sept Ans) or the War of the Conquest (Guerre de la Conquête), since it is the war in which New France was conquered by the British and became part of the British Empire.

And of course after that, while we didn't and still don't treat the First Nations particularly excellently at times, we didn't proceed to attempt to exterminate the entire Aboriginal population ...

[iverglas]

11. I want an answer

You recommended a website run by an organization campaigning for the Conservative Party of Canada, the rightest-wing party Canada has suffered in many decades, and lying about the Liberal Party of Canada, which, while I despise it, is not equivalent to the Republican Party in the US.

You did this on the very day that Canadians were going to the polls to elect a federal Parliament.

The question is this.

Tell us what your opinion would be of an organization in the U.S. whose website said, during this U.S. federal election campaign:

"Vote Democrat = Lose your guns ... VOTE REPUBLICAN in the 2008 federal election".

Or hey, even better -- how about a Canadian posting that on a Canadian website during a US election?

I'm sure you'll have no trouble at all giving answers.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

15. He doesn't really give an opinion about the site is that what you are looking for?

[iverglas]

13. I'm waiting