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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:40 PM
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interesting article by BBC a week ago


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7359513.stm

Despite the fact there are more than 200 million guns in circulation, there is a certain tranquility and civility about American life.

Deepwater, Missouri has a motto: "A great lil' town nestled in the heartland."


Since April 2007 the US Congress has passed major gun legislation

Deepwater considers itself to be an exemplar of the best of American life. A place where outsiders - if they ever penetrated this far - would find home-cooked apple pie and friendly, warm, hard-working folk.

Among those folk, I have no doubt, is Ronald Long.

Last month Mr Long decided to install a satellite television system in his Deepwater home. His efforts to make a hole in the outside wall came to nothing because Mr Long did not possess a drill.

But he did have a .22 calibre gun.

He fired two shots from the inside of the bedroom.

The second killed his wife who was standing outside.

He will face no charges. The police accept it was an accident.

Gun control

To many foreigners - and to some Americans - the tolerance of guns in everyday American life is simply inexplicable.

In Montana, we like our guns... most of us own two or three

Brian Schweitzer, Governor of Montana

As a New York Times columnist put it recently:

"The nation is saturated with violence. Thousands upon thousands of murders are committed each year. There are more than 200 million guns in circulation."

Someone suggested a few days ago that the Democrats' presidential candidates might like to take up the issue of gun control.

Forget about it.

They were warned off - in colourful style - by a fellow Democrat, the Governor of Montana, Brian Schweitzer.

"In Montana, we like our guns", he said.

"Most of us own two or three guns. 'Gun control' is hitting what you shoot at. So I'd be a little careful about blowing smoke up our skirts."

Democrats would like to win in the Mountain West this November. Enough said.

Washington weapons ban

On the anniversary of the Virginia Tech shooting, all this will feel to some like a rather depressing, if predictable, American story. A story of an inability to get to grips with violence.


A ceremony marking the Virginia Tech shootings

At the moment, there is an effort being made to overturn a ban on some types of weapon in Washington DC.

Among those dead against this plan - those who claim it would turn the nation's capital into the Wild West - is a lanky black man (he looks like a basketball player) called Anwan Glover.

Anwan peeled off articles of clothing for our cameras and revealed that he had been shot nine times.

One bullet is still lodged in an elbow.

His younger brother was shot and killed a few months ago.

Anwan was speaking to us in a back alley in north-east Washington. If you heard a gun shot in this neighbourhood you would not feel surprised.

'Gentler environment'

Why is it then that so many Americans - and foreigners who come here - feel that the place is so, well, safe?


I have met incredulous British tourists who have been shocked to the core by the peacefulness of the place


A British man I met in Colorado recently told me he used to live in Kent but he moved to the American state of New Jersey and will not go home because it is, as he put it, "a gentler environment for bringing the kids up."

This is New Jersey. Home of the Sopranos.

Brits arriving in New York, hoping to avoid being slaughtered on day one of their shopping mission to Manhattan are, by day two, beginning to wonder what all the fuss was about. By day three they have had had the scales lifted from their eyes.

I have met incredulous British tourists who have been shocked to the core by the peacefulness of the place, the lack of the violent undercurrent so ubiquitous in British cities, even British market towns.

"It seems so nice here," they quaver.

Well, it is!

Violent paradox

Ten or 20 years ago, it was a different story, but things have changed.

And this is Manhattan.

Wait till you get to London Texas, or Glasgow Montana, or Oxford Mississippi or Virgin Utah, for that matter, where every household is required by local ordinance to possess a gun.

Folks will have guns in all of these places and if you break into their homes they will probably kill you.

They will occasionally kill each other in anger or by mistake, but you never feel as unsafe as you can feel in south London.

It is a paradox. Along with the guns there is a tranquillity and civility about American life of which most British people can only dream.

Peace and serenity

What surprises the British tourists is that, in areas of the US that look and feel like suburban Britain, there is simply less crime and much less violent crime.

Doors are left unlocked, public telephones unbroken.

One reason - perhaps the overriding reason - is that there is no public drunkenness in polite America, simply none.

I have never seen a group of drunk young people in the entire six years I have lived here. I travel a lot and not always to the better parts of town.

It is an odd fact that a nation we associate - quite properly - with violence is also so serene, so unscarred by petty crime, so innocent of brawling.

Virginia Tech had the headlines in the last few days and reminded us of the violence for which the US is well known.

But most American lives were as peaceful on this anniversary as they are every day.
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didact Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:45 PM
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1. Better duck!
:hide:
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:46 PM
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2. I come from Kent and there is no way on God's green earth that New Joizee is "gentler" than Kent...
"A British man I met in Colorado recently told me he used to live in Kent but he moved to the American state of New Jersey and will not go home because it is, as he put it, "a gentler environment for bringing the kids up."

That, ladies and gentlemen, is what we Brits call "Total fucking bollocks"...
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:48 PM
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3. New Jersey is a very
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 02:49 PM by bossy22
nice place...i mean it has bad areas just like any other place...but overall its very safe...i spend much of my time in Edgewater,NJ (i have a good friend there) and i walk the streets at night and feel prefectly safe

NJ gets a bad rap because of places like Newark...but overall NJ is one of the nicest places to be i think


....hey and this is comming from a New Yorker

so why don't you learn a thing or to about an area before you start spouting lies about it
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:03 PM
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7. "spouting lies"? Didn't stop to think about whether I might have been to NJ before didya?
Well you should have you mucking foron because I have...and whilst there are some pleasant areas in the state, it doesn't come ANYWHERE close to the beauty of Kent.

Ever been to Kent?

Didn't think so...

So, before you try and lecture someone in the future sparky, make sure your powder's dry and you KNOW what you're talking about...

Otherwise feel free to take a flying fuck at the moon...

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:32 PM
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8. yeah, eh?


You know what I found when I was in England? -- 14 years ago, admittedly.

It's the perception by certain people that things just aren't as they oughta be ... which is, how they used ta be.

The concièrge at our large and pretentious but crappy hotel near the British Museum helped us with directions for how to go east on the tube off the edge of the map in our A-Z ... against his better judgment. He couldn't figure out why we'd want to go to such a place: East Ham. Well, because my grandfather was born there, you arrogant little prick, and my mother wants to see his house. Well, hmm, his advice was just that we keep our heads up and our purses close while on our expedition to no-man's-land.


So we got off the tube and found ourselves on a retail street with lots of foot traffic, and turned off to go a couple of blocks to find Grampa's house, one of the millions of neat little industrial-rvolution era row houses all over urban Britain. And we knocked on the door, hoping to cadge an invite, and my mum said "we hope you don't mind that we're taking pictures of your house, but my father was born here". And the man who opened the door said "your what?! well you must come in for tea!" So we did. I hate tea, so I got orange juice.

He and his family, with whom we sat and visited for a half hour, were from Sri Lanka. We still exchange christmas cards. The pedestrians and shopkeepers on the high street were mostly from the same part of the world. And it was pretty obvious that this was what the jerk at the hotel was really talking about (as I made a point of telling him when we checked out). In point of fact, the neighbhourhood and its inhabitants looked a lot like the one I live in, in Canada, and a lot like what many parts of greater NYC look like. But to some Brits, it's their territory what's been taken over by undesirables, and things just aren't safe any more.

I suspect they're the ones most likely to be engaging in foreign travel ...

Tourist experience varies. I've wandered NYC at night and had nothing resembling a problem. In a residential area of Chicago, my host and I found a victim of an attempted murder (possibly a successful one, I never heard) on the front lawn of his apartment building, the night after my host was mugged on the way home from a party I'd left early.

Gentler than Kent. Could there be such a place??


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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:49 PM
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4. I'm British born and can agree with everything the article said
I used to be appalled at the number of guns in this country, but I soon learned that I could leave the doors unlocked in the heart of Soprano-land, Northern NJ - (in the UK, I even locked the windows). You practically need to tie stuff down in the UK otherwise it'll get stolen - whereas here, kid toys and bikes are left outside and are still there the next day.
Apparently there's a lot of public drunkeness over there, I left in 1980, so I can't say, but family tell me this stuff is normal now.
America is very peaceful - as long as you don't live in downtown Detroit or Cincinatti (for instance).
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Scout198575 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:55 PM
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5. Cities
If you stay out of most major cities, you will find what you said true about America being very peaceful. The country is where to be. ;)
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:02 PM
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6. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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Scout198575 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:46 PM
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10. Thanks Chief.
:toast:
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:33 PM
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9. you still have 8 minutes to edit

Reproducing entire articles from news sources is a copyright violation / not permitted by site rules, and results in thread locking. Heads up.
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:16 PM
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11. my bad
i thought as long as you posted link it wasnt considered copyright- sort of like citing
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:00 PM
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12. ask Joe Biden about that ...

Never mind, just me taking the opportunity to eulogize the best president the US will never have ...

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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:38 PM
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13. joe biden
would make an excellent president- if he would stop shoving his foot in his mouth
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mvccd1000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:46 AM
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14. Luckily for us!
I'D probably be tempted to move to Canada if we had a nut like him in office.
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