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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:02 PM Original message |
Crime statistics for concealed carry permit holders? |
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MediaBabe (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. That info may not be easy to find. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I was afraid of that. |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Your're right about that |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Actually, *most* states issue and revoke them at the state level. |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-06-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. I live in PA, where the law is "Shall Issue", meaning issuing the license |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. Some information on revoked carry licenses... |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
4. I found this a few weeks ago |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Wow, great information, thanks! |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-06-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. Yes! 10-yr-old statistics! Who could want for anything more?! |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-06-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Up to date report:... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #30 |
43. ten years old but still good |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Merely proves that honest citizens with guns are no problem.(nt) |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-06-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
98. The problem lies in how to sort them out. |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
53. "lethal violence, even in self defense, only engenders more violence." |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
80. yes yes yes |
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clovis29 (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
5. I am not sure they are all that law-abiding |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Check out post #4 (n/t) |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Any links? Stats? News reports? I didn't think so. n/t |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. You would be wrong then wouldn't you. Sorry to shatter your illusions with the truth. |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
41. AW SHOOT (LOL) Please don't bother us with facts! |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
48. Great post. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. This has been true for me. |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
67. That's pretty much how I handle it. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
81. yes |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
74. Damn you and your facts too. (Thanks for finding that. Bookmarking) n/t |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Well, then... |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 07:18 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. LOL! |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Not at all! |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. its not a license to kill |
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nuclearfishin (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Even you |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Aren't roughly half of U.S. homicides non-gun? (nt) |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. If I am reading the 2006 (latest available) stats right, |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. What's hard to figure is they (FBI) do not include gun use in rape cases. I |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
70. maybe because |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Yeah those drug trade executives are gonna obey an AWB if it is passed. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Do the roughly one-quarter of CCW holders who are women feel "macho"? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-06-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
38. The ones I've known... |
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WWFZD (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
60. Oh no., |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-02-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #60 |
93. Kim Du Toit is a 'he', not a 'she'. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-02-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Ugh, thread necromancy. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #38 |
82. the great equalizer |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #16 |
42. WE FEEL SAFER. That's all. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Hardly... |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-06-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. Who are "they" ? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 12:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
39. My wife and I both carry. |
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DU Man (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
55. You are obviously mis informed. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. I see it's time for another stroll down memory lane |
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Mad_Cow_Disease (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Wait... What? |
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Furyataurus (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
92. Its funny |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
15. Michigan State Police Statistics Here |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
19. Texas tracks conviction rates for permit holders |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-06-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. Damn... |
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HiDemGunOwner (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
21. Any additional info on CCW carriers and crime/unintentional shooting victims vs. police, etc. |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Those stats will be hard to find, if they even exist. |
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HiDemGunOwner (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. I figured it would be difficult |
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Novus Collectus (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-06-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Civillian/police comparison |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-06-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Welcome to DU! |
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Novus Collectus (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-06-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Thank you |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #28 |
44. Probably too many |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-06-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. I provided some info here: |
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HiDemGunOwner (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
52. Thanks! n/t |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-06-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Informally, I can tell you from experience. |
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WWFZD (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
61. HiDemGunOwner |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
85. hawaii is frigging ridiculous |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-06-08 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
35. Florida CCW statistics... |
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RonC (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. Guns and Concealed Carry |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Welcome to DU... |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
40. Anyone know where I can get statistics on lives saved by |
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aspergris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. The problem is |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. My life was saved twice by a gun so yes I can. |
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DU Man (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I am in Omaha.. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. to absent friends! |
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jkmoyle (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
56. Crime Statistics |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Home facts seems to have no relevancy to the Gun Forum |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
58. Florida has a monthly report on concealed weapons... |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Thanks, Spin! |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
64. you'll NEVER get data on crimes COMMITTED by any group... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Could you explain in detail what you are driving at? Thanks (nt) |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. you don't know someone has committed a crime unless they are caught, right? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. The eleventh commandment..."Don't get caught". (n/t) |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. duh, eh? |
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Mad_Cow_Disease (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Very true |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. Is that the best you got |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #69 |
91. Does this logic applies to cars and drivers? |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #64 |
84. unless |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
73. Deleted sub-thread |
TwoCylinder (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-09 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
76. Stats for CCP holders |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. The news story you refer to is located at: |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. yes, but |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. If you examine the Florida statistics... |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. this jibes with my personal experience |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. A list of crimes committed by concealed permit holders... |
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Furyataurus (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Wow |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 06:02 AM Response to Reply #79 |
89. Right -the brady gand can really be counted on for |
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Furyataurus (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
90. I found this |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-02-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Wow!!! 60,873 total convictions... |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-02-09 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
96. Florida CCW |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-03-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. The Michigan State Police have an extremely detailed report... |
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