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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 10:55 AM
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A new explanation for global warming?
Hadn't heard this before, and not sure I understand it either:

Current, in process, geological, geophysical, and climatical alterations of the Earth are becoming more, and more, irreversible. At the present time researchers are revealing some of the causes which are leading to a general reorganization of the electro-magnetosphere (the electromagnetic skeleton) of our planet, and of its climatic machinery. A greater number of specialists in climatology, geophysics, planetophysics, and heliophysics are tending towards a cosmic causative sequence version for what is happening. Indeed, events of the last decade give strong evidence of unusually significant heliospheric and planetophysic transformations <1,2>. Given the quality, quantity, and scale of these transformations we may say that:

The climatic and biosphere processes here on Earth (through a tightly connected feedback system) are directly impacted by, and linked back to, the general overall transformational processes taking place in our Solar System. We must begin to organize our attention and thinking to understand that climatic changes on Earth are only one part, or link, in a whole chain of events taking place in our Heliosphere.

These deep physical processes, these new qualities of our physical and geological environment, will impose special adaptive challenges and requirements for all life forms on Earth. Considering the problems of adaptation our biosphere will have with these new physical conditions on Earth, we need to distinguish the general tendency and nature of the changes. As we will show below,these tendencies may be traced in the direction of planet energy capacity growth (capacitance), which is leading to a highly excited or charged state of some of Earth's systems.The most intense transformations are taking place in the planetary gas-plasma envelopes to which the productive possibilities of our biosphere are timed. Currently this new scenario of excess energy run-off is being formed, and observed:

In the ionosphere by plasma generation.

In the magnetosphere by magnetic storms.

In the atmosphere by cyclones.

This high-energy atmospheric phenomena, which was rare in the past, is now becoming more frequent, intense, and changed in its nature. The material composition of the gas-plasma envelope is also being transformed...cont'd

http://cyberjournal.org:80/show_archives/?id=2353&lists=newslog
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 11:03 AM
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1. No.
Just the usual hokum and bunk from The Millennium Group. They've been pushing this brand of snakeoil for more than a decade now.

http://skepdic.com/refuge/millenniumgroup.html
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 11:05 AM
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2. I am not impressed.
Whatever the "electro-magnetosphere" is, it is NOT a skeleton. I have no idea what "our heliosphere" means. The article seems to be filled with such solecisms and invented usages. What is "excess energy runoff", for example, is energy now a liquid?
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 11:49 AM
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3. There is a very tiny kernel of possible explanation buried in there
But think more of a scarab's dung ball, not an oyster's pearl.

There has been serious scientific consideration of solar variations contributing to global warming. This theory got some validation a few months ago, when records of the surface temperature of Mars showed an average increase over a period of years that was not attributable to orbital or axial variations. There is also some evidence that natural variations in the earth's magentosphere does have a slight effect on weather.

HOWEVER solar and magnetosphere variations can only account for a small percentage of the average temperature increase the earth has seen in the last 10 years, and can not account for any of the increase measured in the 50 years before that. Looking at all the evidence, not just a select few data points, indicates clearly that nearly all of the recent global warming can be attributed to human factors.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 12:04 PM
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4. Thanks for your explanation/response. So what DID cause the Mars temps to go up?
And how do to the fluctuations in the Earth's polar magnetism (currently active and effected by solar conditions) effect us relative to climate? I do remember reading that our magnetic 'shield' had weakened considerably.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 12:48 PM
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5. No sources handy, but from what I remember
Edited on Fri Mar-23-07 12:50 PM by TechBear_Seattle
The most likely cause for Martian warming is an increase in solar activity. The sun had been relatively quiet for nearly a century, but the last two sun spot cycles (which last about 11 years each) have been pretty active. This eventually means a very slight increase in the overall amount of energy released by the sun.

There are two things to make note of, however: Mars has no magnetic field and a very thin atmosphere. As a result, charged particles aimed at Mars will strike the surface and heat it slightly. Earth has a strong magnetic field and a thick atmosphere. As a result, charged particle aimed at Earth are deflected by the magnetosphere towards the magnetic poles and crash into the atmosphere, giving up their energy miles above the surface.

Earth's magnetic field has weakened slightly over the last few centuries. This might result in more charged particles getting through our magnetic shield and striking the earth away from the poles. That is not likely to have any effect, again because of our thick atmosphere. It would take either a significant collapse of the magnetosphere or a series of major solar events before there would be a problem.

I have also heard of research being done on the seeming correlation between changes in the earth's magentic field and average temperature over millions of years. The questions are whether the epochal record is being read correctly, and whether the correlation is coincidental or causal.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 01:00 PM
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6. Thanks once again. Very interesting. It seems that the causes of climate change
Edited on Fri Mar-23-07 01:03 PM by Dover
are not singular, but multifaceted and complex, though manmade CO2 may be the overwhelming catalyst that pushes us to the tipping point.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 03:04 PM
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7. Personally I lean toward Al Gore's explanation
The planet has a fever. It suffers from a life threatening infestation of Homo sapiens. The uncontrolled spread of this organism and the massive concentrations of waste products it generates, have resulted in warming of the atmosphere and the irretrievable loss of many benign organisms which have kept the planet's ecosphere in balance. A fever is nature's response to disease. Eventually the elevated temperatures produced by these waste products will kill off the ofending pathogen and things will return to normal. Hasta la vista, baby.
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