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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:48 PM
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Vast Majority of Americans Want More Ethanol
http://www.ethanolrfa.org/media/press/rfa/2006/view.php?id=721


Washington, DC –

New data from the polling firm Public Opinion Strategies (www.pos.org/latestnumbers/nationals.cfm) shows that 78 percent of Americans support increasing the use of ethanol and two-thirds of Americans support the increased use of biofuels in general. Additional results show that 91 percent of Americans feel the country is facing an energy crisis and 53 percent believe we should diversify our energy supply by utilizing alternative energy sources like ethanol.
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Polling results from Phoenix Marketing International (www.phoenixmi.com/automotive) earlier this year showed that more than 90 percent of Americans would prefer a flexible fuel vehicle (FFV), one capable of running on gasoline and ethanol blends up to 85 percent (E85). A recent study done by Phoenix for the American Lung Association of Minnesota found that 85 percent of respondents would prefer a fueling company that offers E85 under its canopies.


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Ethanol not only reduces GHGs, it improves our trade balance which strengthens our economy. Domestically produced ethanol also creates jobs in the U.S. and helps grow OUR economy. And ANY replacement of gasoline with ethanol reduces our vulnerability to oil supply disruptions.

Personally, I would rather pay money to an AMerican farmer for ethanol and a less to some middle-east government of dubious loyalties (i.e. how much of what we pay middle eastern sources for oil ends up funding those who would kill us, given the chance).




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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:52 PM
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1. They may very well want more
however the drought seems to be having a say in the matter and personally I enjoy eating, so maybe we shouldn't burn all the crops in our cars.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:38 AM
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13. That was my first thought. n/t
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:54 PM
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2. Something that really bothered me about ethanol that I didn't know before
I heard that it takes over 500lbs of grain to create 25 gallons of ethanol. I also heard that the average native of India lives on 400lbs of grain per year.

Ethanol might be one tool in a wider toolchest of items to get us off of oil, but I don't think we should put all of our eggs in this one basket.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:10 PM
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7. we DEFINITELY do NOT want to put all our eggs in this one basket.
All REnewables all should be investigated. Increased efficiency in design of all appliances and internal combustion engines should be pursued. (actually, increased efficiency of designs offers the best return on investment - up to a point.) We need to be doing all these things. You can tell your Congressmen and Senators this at www.congress.org. You just type in your zip and up pop your representatives and Senators. You just type in a message into an input field and click on "Send" and your email is sent. Of course, if your reps andor Senators are Repubs you will have to be able to out-bid Oil and Gas to get any reaction.

Ethanol is a technology that does work and is the most cost effective and easily scaled up technology that we have now. As such, we should develop it much more aggressively than we have - with a national commitment to expanding availability as well as production. Keep in mind, corn, sugar cane, sugar beets and soy beans represent a transition to cellulosic ethanol. The Oak Ridge National Laboratory completed a study which concluded we could meet about one third of our transportation fuel demands with renewables (without touching food supply, of course). That's assuming use of Internal Combustion Engines.

In the longer run, the probable solution to the use of fossil fuels for transportation will be the fuel cell. Fuel cells that run on ethanol (still keepinig with renewable fuel) are being developed but it is still a ways off. Fuels cells are 2 to 2.5 tmes as efficient as ICEs. That would mean the 33% (when used in ICEs) would meet up to 82% of the demand for fuel for transportation. Until then, we can be reducing our use of fossil fuels and reducing our imports of foreign oil (this is of national security interest as well as economic interest - oil supply disruptions.)

BTW, re production of ethanol from corn (etc) Iowa State University has filed for a patent for a process they developed using ultra-sound which boosts the yield of alcohol from corn by about 30%. If this can be translated into production scale applications that would change the ONL figure of 33% (of fuel needs for transportation) to 44%.







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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:59 PM
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3. Damned right we do!!!
:beer:
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bulletsandspikes Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:06 PM
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4. Brazil
Sugarcane Ethanol is all I have to say. We need to take a look at them and the problems they've run into and they solutions they came up with.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:24 PM
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8. Ethanol Car Beats Fuel Cells to Win European Eco-marathon
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/may2006/2006-05-22-03.asp




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Ethanol Car Beats Fuel Cells to Win European Eco-marathon

NOGARO, France, May 22, 2006 (ENS) - An ethanol powered car engineered by French high school students has achieved the best fuel efficiency at the European Shell Eco-marathon 2006, winning the race at the Nogaro auto racing circuit in southwest France. It also took the Climate Friendly prize for producing the least greenhouse gas emissions in the process.

Engineering students from France's Lycee La Joliverie celebrated victory Sunday after their ethanol powered prototype vehicle completed seven laps of the Nogaro circuit with an energy consumption equivalent to traveling 2,885 kilometers (1,792 miles) on a single liter of gasoline.

Lycee La Joliverie is a high school in St. Sebastian-sur-Loire, France, that specializes in internal combustion engines.

“The performance of the ethanol team has shown that hydrogen powered vehicles are not the only solution to the Shell Eco-marathon challenge for energy efficiency," said Vincent Tertois, technical director for the Shell Eco-marathon.

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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:24 PM
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9. Ethanol Car Beats Fuel Cells to Win European Eco-marathon
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/may2006/2006-05-22-03.asp




Environment News Service for the latest environmental news, current issues, climate, water, food, forests, species, energy, education. RSS feed.


Ethanol Car Beats Fuel Cells to Win European Eco-marathon

NOGARO, France, May 22, 2006 (ENS) - An ethanol powered car engineered by French high school students has achieved the best fuel efficiency at the European Shell Eco-marathon 2006, winning the race at the Nogaro auto racing circuit in southwest France. It also took the Climate Friendly prize for producing the least greenhouse gas emissions in the process.

Engineering students from France's Lycee La Joliverie celebrated victory Sunday after their ethanol powered prototype vehicle completed seven laps of the Nogaro circuit with an energy consumption equivalent to traveling 2,885 kilometers (1,792 miles) on a single liter of gasoline.

Lycee La Joliverie is a high school in St. Sebastian-sur-Loire, France, that specializes in internal combustion engines.

“The performance of the ethanol team has shown that hydrogen powered vehicles are not the only solution to the Shell Eco-marathon challenge for energy efficiency," said Vincent Tertois, technical director for the Shell Eco-marathon.

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Copyright Environment News Service (ENS) 2006. All Rights Reserved.
The ENS website is maintained by HKCR LLC
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:34 PM
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5. The sicker Castro gets, the more attractive sugar-based Ethanol looks to *
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 07:49 PM
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10. And I thought I was the cynical SOB...
Heh. Dreams of wage slavery and sugar plantations got * all hot and bothered.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:35 PM
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6. Make mine gin
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:34 AM
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11. Boycott Ethanol
I love telling everyone the truth about ethanol. I tell them how it takes more energy to produce ethanol than you get out of it. I tell how you get less MPG's on ethanol.. I tell them how coal fired ethanol plants produce uop to 42% MORE pollution than regular oil refineries..

The more you know about ethanol the better.. Not the BS being passed off as facts by johnyW..
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:48 AM
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12. The vast majority of Americans want Jesus to return too.
Americans pride themselves on massive ignorance about energy.
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:16 PM
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14. And that would be JohnWxy here..
EOM!!
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