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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:20 PM
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No such thing as global "warming" according to this guy. It's just leftist
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:20 PM
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1. Hope he lives on a beach somewhere
:evilgrin:
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heart of darkness Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:43 PM
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2. hypothesis: Bill has preconceived notion of what he wants science to show.
Bill then selects data he wants to prove his point...

Bill's an ass. I effing hate those hypocritcal pricks that pull this shit while accusing the scientific concensus of that exact same thing.

Bill doesn't know shit about shit either..His "theories" on global warming are as obtuse as the ones he has posted on population growth and abortion. And he should know better since he is (supposedly) a doctoral student in space studies, but the only publications he lists are his rantings posted to the local paper so maybe Bill don't get it. I'm sure his advisor wished the little prick spent more time in lab.

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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:54 PM
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3. My impressions exactly. He claims most of the current
warming happened before 1940 and he claims most of the CO2 was put into the atmosphere after 1960. I think both factoids are wrong. He's an opinionated Southern Baptist.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:13 PM
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4. Same thing Douche Limbutt said about El Nino.
Said the Dems made it up to convince voters they needed Dems to protect them. Claimed Gore said "we'll save you from El Nino". I'm sure he convinced a few people (who later died by not evacuating)that it was phony. Even Limbaugh has blood on his hands.
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hawgsinspace Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:06 PM
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5. Is there anything good that can come from
ice melting? I mean, I wouldn't be able to live where I currently do have there not been something that melted the 30 feet of ice that was once covering the northern part of the United States. A little bit of Ice melting can't be all bad. Can it?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:09 PM
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6. are you serious?
What is global warming, I mean what does it do besides melt the ice? I am cold where I live and I would like it a little warmer?
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hawgsinspace Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:16 PM
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7. Humans are vey adapt at living in warmer climates....
those cold climates suck...
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:24 PM
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8. You do know that global warming does not mean everyplace just
gets warm, don't you?
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hawgsinspace Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:30 PM
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9. How can it be global then?
If its not global then it would be spotty warming. Spotty warming could be just cyclical warming. For something to be global it either has to happen everywhere or it doesn't.

Have scientist discovered global warming or have they discovered more consistant ways of measuring temperature?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:34 PM
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10. If most of your body gets sunburned, are you sunburned?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:37 PM
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11. Bye
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deFaultLine Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:32 PM
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12. It is a fact
We can have a pretty good idea about climates over the past 300 millions years. We also know that the last real Ice Age ended abruptly 18,000 years ago. We also know that The Little Ice Age began around 1300 AD and ended only around 1850. It is one of the big reasons that so many Europeans left Europe and came to America, the carrying capacity had been hampered a great deal at that time. We also know that the period from 1730-1740 was particularly bad and not too coincidently, this is right before the American Revolution.

There is no question that climates change over time, we can easily tell from core sample from glacial ice. We can also tell from core samples from soils that detect pollen and also from faunal remains left at some sites. If you dig in a site and find arctic fox bones 1000 miles south of their present range, you can pretty much tell that the climate favored them.

The big question is why we have global warming. Burning fossil fuels account for only 15% of the total CO2 emissions being dumped into the atmosphere. Where are the other 85% coming from? And if they are man made, what can we do to limit the input from these sources?

My contention is that human activity is responsible for global warming, but that we have entered into a dichotomous thinking pattern in trying to explain it.

It's time to find those other sources of CO2 and take care of them ASAP.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:25 PM
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16. Do you understand the idea "average temperature"?
"Global warming" means "increased average temperature."

You realize that some parts of the earth are warmer than others and some are colder than others, and that air and water currents redistribute heat? For example, where I live, several hundred miles inland, it always gets a lot warmer when the dissipated scraps of a former hurricane pass by.

Put a big pot of stew on the stove: it can bubble differently if you turn the heat up or down. Similarly, if you change heat flow near the earth, it can affect global circulation patterns: the wind and water currents may move in different ways. Since the earth isn't all one temperature, increasing the average temperature can make one place get warmer while another place gets cooler. (The full story is actually a lot more complicated than this, because much more is involved than just shuffling different temperature air and water around.)
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deFaultLine Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:38 PM
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13. Problem
While the globe may warm, some places may get colder and wetter.

If you have a problem with feeling cold, it may be you and not the ambient temperature. There are a lot of things that people do to give themselves a sluggish metabolism.

A few years ago, I turned the themostat down to 55 degrees in the winter and you know what? I do not feel cold at all at that temperature.

Global warming is a bad way to feel warm, especially if you are living without food or clean water.
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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 09:00 PM
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15. Troll bait or simple ignorance?
It's so hard to tell these days, although a low posting count is always a warning sign.

But on the off chance that you're actually sincere in your expression of total and complete ignorance of the subject, here's Global Warming for Dummies.

Global climate change (aka global warming) does not lead to a gentle increase in warm weather and the drip drip of ice slowly melting. It leads to exremes of weather all around the globe:

* More drought, forest fires and desertification in some areas
* More rain and flooding in other areas
* More intense storms and tornadoes
* Higher cold temperatures in winter
* Higher heat temperatures in summer
* More swings between extremes within seasons
* Collapse of ecosystems
* Spread of infectious diseases
* Extensive crop failures and lower agricultural yields

Those are just the high points. And yes, humans do adapt to many conditions. But the adaptation usually involves massive depopulations in which "excess" humanity is shed off through famines and only the hardy, or very lucky, survive.

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:30 PM
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14. He should tell that to Alexander Cockburn.
Cockburn considers himself a leftist, but doesn't believe humanity has anything to do with global warming:

Since I don't believe in "peak oil" (the notion that world production is peaking and will soon slide, plunging the world into economic chaos) and regard oil "shortages" as contrivances by the oil companies and allied brokers and middlemen to run up the price, I fill my aging fleet of 50s and 60s era Chryslers with a light heart, although for longer trips these days I fill an 82 Mercedes 240D with diesel. True, diesel these days costs more than high-octane gasoline but the Mercedes gets 35 miles to the gallon, whereas the 59 Imperial ragtop and the 62 Belevedere wagon get around 18 mpg, which is still way ahead of the SUVs.

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And what of "peak oil", the theory that oil is about to run out? Since we're all supposed to be dying of avian flu in the near future, who cares since there'll be no one around to work the pumps or even drive up to them? I don't believe in any effective role of man-made CO2 in global warming, a natural cyclical trend. I think the mad rush to throw money at the pharmaceutical companies for an avian flu vaccine is ridiculous. And increasingly, I don't believe we're about to run out of oil. I hang my hat on the views of Dr.Thomas Gold (founding director of Cornell University Center for Radiophysics) as outlined in his 1999 book, The Deep Hot Biosphere.


http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn10152005.html

This gas-guzzling socialist poseur makes me sick.
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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 09:42 AM
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17. Evidently he doesn't believe in physics either
His sniping diatribe assumes an infinite supply of resources on a finite planet.

Hope that works for him. I, however, live in the "reality-based" community and although I may not see the last drop of oil in my lifetime, there will come a time...
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