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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 12:09 PM Original message |
Some thoughts on energy conservation, nuclear power and renewable energy |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. A few things that are often neglected. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 12:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I totally agree with the landlord/tenant Catch 22 |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. Some Thoughts |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 12:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Your nested comments just gave me a stack overflow. |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Windows normally avoids stack overflows by storing virtual memory |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 01:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Oh, it wasn't Windows. It was my brain. |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 12:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
44. Lucky you. I don't have a Stack, I have a Pit. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Hmm. I guess a midden is a bit like a stack... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. More thoughts |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 02:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Thermodynamically efficient "time shifter" |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Erm, no. |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 03:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Some the data points on the green lines are MINE |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. What do you think of a123systems? |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I have read a little bit about it |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Very nice... |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 11:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. IEEE Spectrum says the next generation hybrids will: |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 11:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Thanks... |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 11:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. What motive is there to use Li-ion instead of Nickel-Hydride? |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 12:25 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Huh? Wha? |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 12:36 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. The Nickel-Hydride batteries aren't terribly heavy to begin with. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 02:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. why stupid? |
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poopfuel (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 11:11 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. facts about land in US, etc |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 03:27 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. They are in PHEVs |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 11:01 AM Response to Reply #29 |
39. True |
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EuroObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
14. Good food for thought in this thread, thanks n/t |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
15. Not ready to write off Nuc's yet |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Solar does have one use. |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Not at 2AM though |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 10:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Air conditioning usually isn't used at 2 AM though. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 09:07 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. you must not live in Phoenix :-) |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 09:55 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Nope. Wisconsin. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. In the summer, nighttime "cold" is 80 degrees :-) |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 10:26 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. why can't you get a solar window air conditioner, i want to |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 11:15 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. I'm not sure what benefit a window AC unit would have. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. i have a lot of the same issues. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 02:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Down here, we see two things... |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Not much power for A/C |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Not so |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 06:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Nuclear is stopgap solution at best |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Ahh, I've just caught on... |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 11:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Pt was (I said "was") from my grad school days. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 11:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I'm being pessimistic. Or maybe realistic... |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 11:05 AM Response to Reply #27 |
40. Much of that thin film and alloy-mixture |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 04:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. When the oil runs out we'll just recycle all those catalytic converters |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
20. And the "solar is here" value in exajoules produced....is... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 11:43 AM Response to Reply #20 |
43. Those were direct quotes from Howard Dean (check the links in the OP). |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. This presupposes that the only place where solar energy exists is the US. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 12:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Technical failure?????? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 05:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. It is a technical failure on scale. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. By that logic |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Um, the TV was invented in 1939, the solar cell in 1954. |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 09:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Earlier yet: television was invented in 1922, patented in 1930 |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I object to the extreme stability of the pepples. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
48. How many B-17s did we produce from 1939 to 1945? |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 05:32 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Um, windmills are not B-17's. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 06:14 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Umm...this year marks the 60th anniversary of commercial nuclear power. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 06:26 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Nuclear power production has increased by 2000 billion kw-hr since 1980. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 09:02 AM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Cannot the fossil fuel generators be throttled down when the wind blows? |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Some generators can. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 10:49 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I was crew on a Navy ship that had three boilers |
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hankthecrank (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
22. Mean while More Coal gets burned |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-19-06 10:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Agreed, 100% |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
38. what about tdp? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-20-06 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
52. Just so everyone "gets it" - the quotes in the OP were from Howard Dean |
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aztc (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-22-06 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
65. Lip service to conservation |
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