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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 07:07 AM
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Radioactive waste piles up at Fukushima nuclear plant as disposal method remains in limbo
Three months after the start of full-scale water circulation system operations at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant, high-level radioactive waste has kept piling up amid no clear indications of its final disposal destination.

As of Sept. 27, plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) had accumulated about 4,700 drums of radioactive waste after three months of cesium decontamination operations initially using U.S. and French equipment which was later joined by Toshiba Corp.'s "Sally" system in August.

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20111003p2a00m0na011000c.html

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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 07:34 AM
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1. Other than digging a big fu*king hole in the ground
Where or what do they do with this shit. I personally think that its high time to stop making anymore of this crap at least until they know what to do with it when something goes wrong or , hell, when something goes right even.
This little thingy about the waste is why we put a stop to PSO from building a nuclear power plant a few miles up wind of me right now back in the 70s. They had no answers for us then and they have no answers for us today years later.

Nuclear power has made the world a much more unsafe and unstable place any way you slice it.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 08:05 AM
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2. No... that's probably it
They'll dig one or more big holes.

IIRC, they're talking about one in each of several provinces.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 11:16 AM
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3. That is just the tip of the iceberg.
Thanks for posting.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 09:34 PM
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4. Kris how can anyone be for nuclear energy with the potential of catastrophe it carries with it?
I mean other that some one who is raking in the cash because of nuclear energy use.
I hope its not against the rules to ask you specifically.

I just flat ass don't understand how anyone can see that nuclear energy is the answer to our energy problems. To me Its getting plainer and plainer with each new day that we can do it with renewables. All we have to do is commit to a renewable future and get to work on research, development and manufacturing. Theres not a doubt one in my mind that we can do it in a very short time frame too if we'll only put our energies towards that goal. If we'd spend the money that is going to nuclear, coal and oil subsidies we'd have the money for this research and development.
To me I see support for nuclear energy like I do people who work for a living and vote for republicons. Asinine
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 10:40 PM
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5. That can be a very complex discussion...
Edited on Thu Oct-06-11 10:41 PM by kristopher
I've posted this paper (commissioned by the nuclear industry BTW) several times in the past. It deals with the question specifically and was published in the journal "Risk Analysis"

Risk Analysis, Vol. 29, No. 3, 2009 DOI: 10.1111/j.1539-6924.2008.01155.x

The Future of Nuclear Power: Value Orientations and Risk Perception

Stephen C. Whitfield,1 Eugene A. Rosa,2 Amy Dan,3 and Thomas Dietz3 ∗

Since the turn of the 21st century, there has been a revival of interest in nuclear power. Two decades ago, the expansion of nuclear power in the United States was halted by widespread public opposition as well as rising costs and less than projected increases in demand for electricity. Can the renewed enthusiasm for nuclear power overcome its history of public resistance that has persisted for decades? We propose that attitudes toward nuclear power are a function of perceived risk, and that both attitudes and risk perceptions are a function of values, beliefs, and trust in the institutions that influence nuclear policy. Applying structural equation models to data from a U.S. national survey, we find that increased trust in the nuclear governance institutions reduces perceived risk of nuclear power and together higher trust and lower risk perceptions predict positive attitudes toward nuclear power. Trust in environmental institutions and perceived risks from global environmental problems do not predict attitudes toward nuclear power.

Values do predict attitudes: individuals with traditional values have greater support for, while those with altruistic values have greater opposition to, nuclear power. Nuclear attitudes do not vary by gender, age, education, income, or political orientation, though nonwhites are more supportive than whites. These findings are consistent with, and provide an explanation for, a long series of public opinion polls showing public ambivalence toward nuclear power that persists even in the face of renewed interest for nuclear power in policy circles.


With minor revisions I've summarized the paper this way:

1) Attitudes toward nuclear power are a result of perceived risk.

2) Attitudes and risk perceptions are determined by previously held values and beliefs that serve to determine the level of trust in the nuclear industry.

3) Increased trust in the nuclear industry reduces perceived risk of nuclear power

4) Therefore, higher trust in the nuclear industry and the consequent lower risk perceptions predict positive attitudes toward nuclear power.

5) Traditional values are defined here as assigning priority to family, patriotism, and stability

6) Altruism is defined as a concern with the welfare of other humans and other species.

7) Neither trust in environmental institutions nor perceived risks from global environmental problems predict a person’s attitudes toward nuclear power.

8) Those with traditional values tend to embrace nuclear power; while those with altruistic values more often reject nuclear power.

9) Altruism is recognized as a dependable predictor of various categories of environmental concern.

10) Traditional values are associated with less concern for the environment and are unlikely to lead to pro-environmental behavioral intentions.


In looking for that summary, I came across this exchange from last year. It is worth reading to get a clearer picture the typical preFukushima discussion here.
"The difference between those who embrace nuclear power and those who reject it"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x259801#259803


And this OP is by Nnadir as a response to that one. He is seeking to challenge the content of the paper and my presentation of it. In the thread, I more fully address the content of the paper's analysis in light of EE discussions.
"Beyond the Abstract: The Contents of the Actual Paper on Nuclear Attitudes."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x260147

Hope that helps; I'm happy to address any questions.


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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:40 AM
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8. Thanks,
thats pretty much the way I see it too :hi:
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:15 AM
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6. Nicely worded ...
Your main point about nuclear energy is correct (I agree that humans cannot
be trusted with it) and your view on those who support nuclear power is
well known but that was subtle ...

> If we'd spend the money that is going to nuclear, coal and oil subsidies
> we'd have the money for this research and development.

Very tactful to not suggest redirecting the money that is going to natural gas
subsidies considering who you were asking ...

:thumbsup:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:27 AM
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7. Natural gas and oil is pretty much two sides of the same coin
I didn't realize I'd be stepping on some toes by not mentioning NG :-)
I asked my friend because I find him to be well researched concerning energy. He will actually take the time and knows how to do the research to answer questions and generally answers without beating around the bush.
:hi:
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