Radiation Levels at No.1 Reactor so high "workers could not enter area for several years"

[flamingdem]

** No explanation forthcoming about how they will manage construction in this situation


http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201104190193.html

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High levels of radiation discovered at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant could disrupt Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s timeline for a cold shutdown of the crippled facility, TEPCO officials acknowledged.

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Another problem area is the building housing the No. 1 reactor. TEPCO officials used a U.S.-made robot on April 16 to measure radiation levels and detected radiation of 270 millisieverts per hour in the No. 1 reactor building.

That level of radiation means a worker could spend less than an hour in the area before exceeding the allowable dosage.

The exposure would be so high workers could not re-enter the area for several years, officials said. If radiation levels remain at high levels, TEPCO's experienced workforce would all quickly reach maximum radiation exposure levels, severely slowing the effort to stabilize the plant. -- snip

[thereismore]

1. Time to mobilize the army like the Soviets did. Simple specific tasks, one-off thing. nt

[flamingdem]

2. The system in Japan is a bit less coercive

so at a minimum they had better pay very well and provide decent working conditions. Now they will
have to bring in workers who will not know the plant and anyone with a brain will stay away.

Stupid nuke "planners" could not conceive of any of these problems in their happy nuke fantasy worlds.

[thereismore]

19. Right you are. A single corporation can't handle this. nt

[dixiegrrrrl]

7. And after they have radiated their army to death in a few months, what then?

[thereismore]

18. Well, hopefully by then it will be contained. If not, they need to pay volunteers.

There is a price for most everything.

[SpoonFed]

27. the time for this was the time of the first explosion

not 40 plus some odd days later.

[meow mix]

3. so how was this worked into the 3-9 month "plan"

just wondering

[PearliePoo2]

4. IMO..this is still the ticking time bomb.

the so-called engineers and experts are so far in over their heads, I'm afraid the entire planet is paying for their arrogance and stupidity.
There is NO precedent for this scenario. They are flying by the seat of their pants, day by perilous day.

[flamingdem]

5. It could happen here as well

There are many variables that could lead to releases of radiation and unnecessary cancers here and around the world.

This will be the future if we don't demand an end to nuke power.

[femrap]

6. In other words,

just more and more radiation is being emitted and circling our planet?

Nuclear Power Plants were a horrible idea....simply because of the spent fuel and where/what to do with it. Geez. Fucking idiots.

Solar panels really kill a lot of people, huh?

F*ck GE.....bringing good things to death.

[madokie]

8. What a fuck story going on

and yet there is those who advocate for building more of these pieces of shit.

[PearliePoo2]

9. I think their "plan" and the "time-line" they released.....

is one big crock of shit.
It's a hopeful scenario meant to calm people down and instill some trust.
It's apparently working too...notice how silent the MSM is on this lately?
FUBAR

[flamingdem]

10. They don't want to admit it is out of their control, there might be explosions they admitted that

Tokyo Electric admits fuel could be melting at Fukushima nuke plant

TOKYO, April 21, Kyodo

An official at Tokyo Electric Power Co., the operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, admitted Wednesday that fuel of the plant's No. 1 reactor could be melting.

[PearliePoo2]

11. Just like when the Japanese ambassador told CNN.......

at the beginning of this fucked-up mess, they didn't NEED any outside technical help.
Now, when it's out of control, they will pay HUGE bucks for any qualified workers they can get to go in the plants.
(approx. $5 thousand a day for 2 hours of work)
Arrogant bastards.
I'm PERSONALLY especially pissed because the little-neck clams and oysters (and other seafood I consume and harvest)are NOW suspect and might be for "gawd knows how long".
PLANET EARTH: Will you ever forgive us?

[FBaggins]

12. They "admitted" the fuel could be melting?

Was that before or after they reported the RPV temperature as 154 degrees Celsius?

Did they "admit" some theory re: how fuel melts at that temperature (or anywhere close)?

How many weeks of "out of their control active fusion about to reach the water table and explode" will you guys try to sell before you give it up?

[flamingdem]

13. I posted a press release go on Kyodo News yourself to keep up

you know Tepco is unreliable

[FBaggins]

14. You really didn't.

You copied the text from a translated summary. It's unsourced and incomplete... not at all a "press release". "Admitted" is also something of a giveaway... as if they've known about it for some time and have been hiding it.

Regardless... it directly conflicts with all the other facts that they've been reporting.

90% chance that this is just the 25th time that they "admitted" there was a meltdown in that core. The fuel IS substantially melted... not melting. They have multiple temperature and pressure readings that would be impossible with a melting core.

Bad translation is the most likely culprit. But it's hardly a surprise that the UFO gang picked up on it as big news and it was reported here within minutes. :)

[flamingdem]

15. It's in the process of melting

whether that means half melted is your understanding.

Kyodo News is a source for news do you have a problem with their credentials?

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[flamingdem]

17. I like SKF always on the story

So I think your concern must be the notion of criticality or recriticality that is implied by the melting vs melted.

SKF had another post where he said govt spokesman points to possibility of a hydrogen explosion, so regardless of
meltedness I think the key thing is that it is still in flux and capable of releasing another big release to the air

[FBaggins]

20. That's why I picked them.

While many of the site's pieces have been wildly speculative, I knew that you wouldn't take them to be part of some nuclear spin machine. I thought it reasonably demonstrated that the earlier statement in the OP was off.

So I think your concern must be the notion of criticality or recriticality that is implied by the melting vs melted.

That's certainly part of it. The core could begin melting again without criticality, but it would take days without any cooling at this point. So yes, if the core was suddenly melting I would assume that active sustained fission had resumed. Not some intermittent flashes of localized criticality. It's fun to peculate whether such are possible, but they wouldn't significantly add to the mix (though some here don't seem to get that)... it would take the real deal.

But that's not my primary motivation. I just don't like bad science. I don't like people being encouraged (intentionally or through group think) to panic irrationally. I happen to have both a background in this subject and an ongoing interest in it. So yeah... I understand it better than most and feel obligated to correct blatant inaccuracies. A claim that someone had "admitted" that melting could be going on right now dirrectly contradicted far better-sourced data. Taking that along with the fact that such a recriticality was almost impossible and the story was so "rough"... and I of course felt the need to point all of that out.


SKF had another post where he said govt spokesman points to possibility of a hydrogen explosion

They wouldn't be injecting nitrogen if they didn't think that this was possible. It's a remote possibility, but also a real one. The fact that they're injecting nitrogen also means that the chances have fallen since then.

[meow mix]

21. hope you dont think your actually convincing anyone..

with your non-stop minimalizing... because your not LOL! fail.
there are always those that enjoy doing what your doing anyways. not a suprise

[FBaggins]

22. Can I convince you...

... that "your" and "you're" aren't the same word?

[meow mix]

23. sure, but it wont change my usage

i dont like taking extra time to type un-needed characters sorry.

[FBaggins]

24. Should I then be surprised...

...if you're unwilling to take the necessary time to understand the subject at hand? How could I "convince" someone who can't be bothered to take even the time to type a couple character? :)

The OP (re: fuel currently melting) has already been shown to be just what I said it was... a poor translation and/or a misunderstanding. The press conference has since been reported in much fuller detail and all they were saying was what we've known for weeks... some of the fuel melted weeks ago.

[kristopher]

25. Radiation Levels at No.1 Reactor so high "workers could not enter area for several years"

Radiation Levels at No.1 Reactor so high "workers could not enter area for several years"


** No explanation forthcoming about how they will manage construction in this situation


http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201104190193.html

---------SNIP

High levels of radiation discovered at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant could disrupt Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s timeline for a cold shutdown of the crippled facility, TEPCO officials acknowledged.

-
Another problem area is the building housing the No. 1 reactor. TEPCO officials used a U.S.-made robot on April 16 to measure radiation levels and detected radiation of 270 millisieverts per hour in the No. 1 reactor building.

That level of radiation means a worker could spend less than an hour in the area before exceeding the allowable dosage.

The exposure would be so high workers could not re-enter the area for several years, officials said. If radiation levels remain at high levels, TEPCO's experienced workforce would all quickly reach maximum radiation exposure levels, severely slowing the effort to stabilize the plant. -- snip

[FBaggins]

26. How much would you like to bet they "enter" in far less time?

The levels would give an unprotected man an annual limit dose in an hour.

They aren't unprotected. Compare the unprotected exposure of those three workers who went to hospital after working in the water for a couple hours. If you just took the reported millisieverts level and converted it to "time to allowable dosage" they would have been over the limit in minutes... yet their ACTUAL absorbed whole-body dose was still under that level after hours.

What the headline means is that nobody is going to be working a normal job in there any time soon... but none of us thought that anyone would.

** No explanation forthcoming about how they will manage construction in this situation

Largely because they don't know enough about what the source of the contamination is... and that take is well down on their list (after things like dealing with the far more active water?).