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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:31 PM Original message |
Thermal image of fires in reactor No.3 - new image posted of 4 reactors |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hadn't seen a heat spectrum picture yet- thank you very much! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. 128 is above boiling for reference |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Ouch. But the smoke was/is gray/black, not steam |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I don't know |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Well it depends on the pressure. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. What do you mean by 75 ATM is 280 Celsius, what is ATM? nt |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. "atmospheres" |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
45. My trusty book on Steam Tables |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. atm = atmospheres of pressure. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. 1 ATM = the pressure of the column of air at sea level |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. 75 atm is the normal operating pressure of a BWR. 150 atm is normal operating pressure of a PWR. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. You're both right and wrong. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
34. By the way I confused the EXTERNAL building where |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. The dangers of ignore. The "problem" was solved 3 hours ago. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. thats 128 Celsius? ...awhich is about 500 degrees Fahrenheit? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. 262.4 F |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 01:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
51. 262°F, not hot enough to bake chocolate chip cookies. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
13. More thermal images |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. IT is interesting that #2 is different. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. What do you think of the white areas being out of range |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Unless it is a consumer grade thermal image the white is simply the hotest point. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Yes, no way to know if that is meltdown temperature in the white areas nt |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Of course you do unless they intentionally set a wrong range to clip it? |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. No, not intentional, it might indicate > over 100 however nt |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Sure... but when did ">100" equal "meltdown"? |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Let's just say criticality of the spent fuel rods, most likely to be going on nt |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Most likely? |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Google it. You'll see the experts disagree, and we don't know the real temperature nt |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. They disagree on some details. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. What if it's happening slowly, what if that is what the gray/black smoke is from |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. They don't know the answers to SOME things... they DO know the answer to that. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I'm glad, but there was dark smoke billowing from somewhere and they |
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ReturnoftheDjedi (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. the guy who is trying to argue with you is a Nuclear Physicist. He has a vested interest. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Did I just get a promotion? |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. #3 looks like a big blob of meltdown to me. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. What will happen over the next week, idea? |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. oil drills to drill under the cores and fill them with liquid nitrogen to keep it contained ...... |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I'm sure the Russians are giving some advice |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. That's how Russia did it "death missions" ...it is the only way to get it done.... |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
46. These fires could have been started |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
49. Holy Cow - No.1 and No. 3 do not look good - especially No. 3 |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
22. I don't like the way that looks...like a big melted blob....jesus |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
26. Residents of Tokyo being told NOT to DRINK TAP WATER....MSNBC |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. That is another increase in danger, earlier they said it posed no danger |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. The reported level was 2.9 Becquerel of iodine per kiloliter of water |
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ReturnoftheDjedi (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. so, no tap water in Tokyo and all is well. Riiiiiight!!! |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Could you by any chance post a link that backs up your BS? |
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ReturnoftheDjedi (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. except for the person who started this subthread. she got it from msnbc. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. No... not even close to "good enough" |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:33 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. 1,600 times higher than normal good enough? |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 05:35 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. "Good Enough" for what? |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 05:02 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. NO I didn't misunderstand a friggin' thing!...here's your gd link |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 05:28 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Of COURSE you misunderstood. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 06:18 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. get bent!........I heard that said on MSNBC ....I'm done talking to you now...ciao |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 06:25 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. What you "heard" and what what actually said are not necessarily the same thing. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 05:00 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. here ya go..."Good Moring America" link and video ........is that:good enough?!? |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 04:56 AM Response to Reply #42 |
52. here's your link....no I don't have that habbit! |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I bet the worst part is bathing, many already drink bottled |
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