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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 11:41 AM
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Welcome To The European Sahara - 300,000 km2 Already Withering
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With bursting thermometers, historic droughts and dozens of fires raging from Portugal to Greece, it isn't hard to imagine an apocalyptic future for southern Europe, almost as if the vast Sahara Desert were reaching out across the Mediterranean. Is this merely a long, hot summer, or are these the initial symptoms of enduring climate change, exacerbated by overpopulation and overdevelopment of a fragile ecological landscape? Evidence is mounting to support just such fears.

The Desert Watch project, led by the European Space Agency, reports that 300,000 square kilometers of Europe's Mediterranean coast—an area larger than Britain—with a population of 16.5 million, is threatened by "desertification." The Spanish minister of the Environment, Cristina Narbona, warned in June about a long-term decrease in rain and an increase in temperatures: "the beginning of a long cycle" of extreme drought. And while severe dry spells may be a normal component of —Europe's climate, says Jose Luis Rubio, the head of the University of Valencia's Desertification Investigation Center, a weakening of the soil's resistance to drought among other things, along with human factors, are enhancing the risks of desertification. "We have observed a growing fragility," says Rubio. In places like Valencia, "the water levels are dropping and the soil is weaker."

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Remember the killer summer heat wave of 2003, when thousands of elderly French died while their children vacationed on beaches? That was the most intense in the 150 years of accurate weather history. This year's baking drought hasn't brought the same record heat—as yet. But eying southern Europe's cloudless skies, it's hard to escape the sense that this is no climatic aberration. Before the end of the century, summer temperatures in Italy are expected to increase by 7 to 8 degrees Celsius, according to the international panel on climate change, the IPCC (which was established by the world meteorological organization and the U.N. environment program). Meteo France projects that in the latter part of this century, 35-degree Celsius days will be "five to ten times more numerous" across the country. The city of Nimes is expected to pass from four scorching days now to 40 by the latter part of this century (from the year 2070 onward), according to projections from Meteo France. Such changes would transform everything from natural ecosystems—which can change dramatically with a tiny temperature variation—to basic water supplies, agriculture and tourism. Rainfall is expected to decline by 15 percent on average and 40 percent in the scalding summers before the end of the century, according to the IPCC. Experts warn that sea levels could rise as glaciers melt, even affecting the Mediterranean. Warmer weather and changing climates could bring malaria to Europe. And in North Africa the situation will surely be worse, as governments have far fewer resources with which to prepare for the future, says Dieter Schoene, an environmental specialist at the U.N.'s Food and Agriculture Organization. The result: even greater immigration pressure than exists today.

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The weather changes aren't just affecting the shores but the sea as well. Italy's Agency for Technology, Energy and the Environment concluded that its coastal ocean temperatures rose three degrees in the summer of 2003, a sharp spike highlighting a general trend. The Red Sea mullet, a warm-water native of the Suez Canal, has in recent years crossed into the Mediterranean and is now regularly sold in Italian fish markets. Other strange phenomena include the expanding reach of a 6,000-square-kilometer supercolony of Argentine ants that now stretches from Italy through France and Portugal to northwestern Spain. "Everything is linked to the changing climate," says Anne Rogers, senior economist at the U.N.'s Division for Sustainable Development. The uncertainty gives an ominous undercurrent to this year's summer holidays. By mid-July, temperatures in much of southern France were already between 32 and 37 degrees Celsius. All major French cities have announced Level Three alerts—Four is an emergency—automatically bolstering, among other things, hospital staffing to flu-epidemic levels. Memories of the deadly heat wave of 2003 give every reason to worry. Italy's national statistics office recently revised its 2003 summer death toll, from 8,000 to an astounding 20,000. Overall, the number of European deaths from the heat two years ago is believed to have surpassed 40,000.

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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8770524/site/newsweek/
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:10 PM
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1. these extremes will reach the u.s.
but we'll get pat robertson to talk to god about it -- and it will be fixed.

europe is godless and deserves their fate.

:banghead:
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:12 PM
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2. I don't know what Robertson can do....
after all, God is just punishing for our sins, you know just like 9/11 :eyes:
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:31 PM
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3. Thanks hatrack, for posting.
My boss just came back from a 3-week vacation in Italy. He said, "it was really hot".

We are actually planning to travel to southern France, next summer. We were going to rent a villa near the French Riviera and spend a month relaxing. Now I'm not so sure.

My sister wants to buy a house in southern France, and we thought this would be a fun way to get to know the area.

This is really bad news. We may have to re-think our plans.

Blame Bush and his psychotic decisions. One day, the rage and anger will be shifted to where it rightly belongs - on him.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:03 PM
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4. Their date predictions are likely to be way off
Climate change is "non-linear". It doesn't react smoothly. In fact, many climatologists who study paleoclimatology have noticed that most of the previous significant climate changes took place over short periods, from a few years to maybe a century; the consensus is now moving toward "a few years".

For instance, we may see average temperatures increase by 10F-30F over the course of a few years -- followed by a "climate flip-flop" equally drastic in the other direction. (This scenario is based on the loss of thermohaline currents in the North Atlantic ocean from warming-based seawater dilution.)

One effect of overall warming is to increase climatic instability. The climate will try to find a new stable point, and will change erratically until it finds it. Some climatologists theorize that there are two such stable points in the Holocene (current) -- one glacial, and one warm. The glacial periods have been running at about 90,000 years each, and the warm periods, 10,000 years each.

Excluding the Younger-Dryas episode of 8200-6000 BCE, we've gone 13,000 years since the end of the last Ice Age.

--p!
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 03:52 PM
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5. I've heard about climate "flip-flop" but haven't seen articles on it
Do you have any useful URL's on it?
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 08:45 PM
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6. Links to the "flip-flop"
William Calvin's article which introduced the term:
http://williamcalvin.com/1990s/1998AtlanticClimate.htm

Copy at U. Otago, New Zealand:
http://geography.otago.ac.nz/Courses/283_389/Resources/ClimateFlipFlop.html

Copy at U. Sydney, Australia:
http://www.usyd.edu.au/su/envsci/newsevents/articles/web5.htm

Citation: (Now behind a paywall at Atlantic Monthly website.)
William H. Calvin, "The great climate flip-flop," The Atlantic Monthly 281(1):47-64 (January 1998

Dave Thurlow's article at WeatherNotebook.org:
http://www.weathernotebook.org/transcripts/1999/11/03.html

DMOZ Open Directory links:
http://dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Environment/Climate_Change/

Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Abrupt Climate Change pages:
http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/currenttopics/ct_abruptclimate.htm

Inevitable Surprises (a business point of view -- not a stonewall)
http://www.innovation-enterprise.com/6.2/6.2.363.php

Google will allow you to track down other links. In addition, many of the URLs posted in this forum over the past 2-3 years lead to articles about this phenomenon.

Have fun!

--p!
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 03:01 PM
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7. Thanks for posting these links, Pigwidgeon. Bookmarking.
:hi:
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 04:11 PM
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8. Mr. Toad's wild ride.
I forget who said that. Somebody in this forum, a while back. Except all 6.5 billion of us are going to be in the car, and it will have a lot less entertainment value.

One thing about this intevening period of chaos that may be extra grim: Agriculture is rather dependent on predictability. Whatever the new stable regime turns out to be, at least the survivors will be able to adopt some kind of corresponding lifestyle. The upcoming transition period will probably make that kind of adaptation difficult, or impossible. Things may be changing as fast as we can adapt. Or faster.

Keep your hands and feet in the vehicle at all times.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:43 PM
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10. Flocking like ants a a picnic . . .
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 12:47 PM by hatrack
Enjoy your stay, and have a WONDERFUL day.

Oh, btw, what were the names of the three climatologists you "consulted" with?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:56 PM
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12. Any articles? Any links? Any data?
Ready to back up your concept? And what exactly is your concept?

Oh, that's right, your concept is "It's all a CONSPIRACY!!!"

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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:51 PM
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15. I'm not sure where you are going with this.
Yes, we're all aware that the climate has been changing in various ways, over varying time scales, for billions of years.

The same data that allow us to reach that conclusion also demonstrate that the climate often changes very suddenly, which is usually accompanied by extinctions of varying degrees. The data of the last 150 years, combined with all of this other paleo-climate data, indicates that we are entering another period of sudden climate shifting.

What are you saying?
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:33 PM
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17. Things have changed a lot in 30 years.
The amount of data we've collected, both current and "paleo", has grown exponentially. And our climate modeling ability has also grown exponentially.

Within the last 10 years, a solid concensus among climatologists has developed, and the consensus is that not only is the climate changing, but that humans are accelerating it with greenhouse emissions.

Note that I say "accelerating", because it's quite clear that we were experiencing a long term warming trend prior to the industrial age.

So, the state of the art in climate science says that the way we live does indeed affect the climate. It's surely just one factor among many, but that doesn't absolve us of responsibility to do what we can.

We cannot claim ignorance any more. If we do, it's engaging in denial.

And regardless of what we can or can't do about changing the climate, the much more salient fact is that it is changing, and we had better start planning for it. If we don't, things are going to be changed for us, and it won't be to our benefit.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:46 PM
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:58 PM
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20. It's not about stopping it, it's about slowing it down.
The processes involved are riotously nonlinear, so whatever contribution we are making is magnified.

I have an intuition that the warming has progressed maybe 100 years faster than if we had never burned hydrocarbons. But the only legitimate way to answer that will be via modeling. It would be even better if we could run a controlled experiment with a set of duplicate planets, but we've only got one, so modeling is the best we're going to do.

Given our current rate of technological progress, giving ourselves extra decades of benign stability could make a big difference. Maybe the difference between having the clout to stabilize earth's climate, and not. The implication is that we may have deprived ourselves of the opportunity to save ourselves. The coming changes may be too drastic, and too soon.

At this point, it's more about hoping to soften the blow, not prevent it.

There is a guy around here who keeps plugging the idea of very large solar shields in space, basically reducing solar influx by brute force. I think it's completely unaffordable, and the results would be dangerously unpredictable, but ask me again in 10 years, when things have grown more desperate down here. Maybe my answer will be different.

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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 03:00 PM
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21. You might be interested in this, speaking of modeling
http://climateprediction.net/

Contribute your CPU time to try and answer these important questions.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 04:05 PM
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24. you say sensible things mixed with very odd things.
Global warming is not an industry, and it isn't a science. Global warming is a process, that is studied by scientists. Using statistics, which is a tool that most science is founded on.

I've worked in the government grant game for 15 years. In my experience, scientists who cook their data don't last.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 04:42 PM
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26. Can you be more specific? What findings were reversed?
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:47 PM
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19. Well, I always love to jump in for the dumb stuff.
It's very clear that you don't know any science or anything about how scientists work.

It may be that climatologists "current scientists 30 years ago, just after they got their doctorate "could you predict the climate of the future by 150 years of past temperature data," that remark in isolation would have merited silence.

However, there are quite a few sciences that play a role here, notably chemistry and physics. Climatologists don't, in spite of what you hear in business school or in the NeoCon Seminaries, simply look at what happened last decade to predict what will happen next decades. They look at all sorts of things that Repukes generally don't understand, absorption spectra, heat radiation, geological and biological records, etc.

Now, the Bushies like to pretend that they are discussing science using the same level of selective attention that got them through their useless business schools, but always at the end of the day, they are discussing religion and/or dogma and trying desperately, if weakly, to paint a patina of "science" on it. It's the creationist game all over again.

The world will heat up irrespective of the fervent nonsense of the "we don't believe in science really" crowd. Everybody who understands the issue - and that would be a big word, understands - knows it. It is no more up for debate than Newton's laws.

I always hate to discuss chemistry and physics with the religious and so I will hereafter treat this line of fantastic reasoning with what it most certainly deserves: Contemptuous silence.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 03:44 PM
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23. Who?
Do you mean Joby Hilliker from Penn State meteo? He (I think Joby's a he) is a newly-minted PhD and a rising star at PSU. But Dr. Hilliker's specialty is short-term and mesoscale climatology, not paleoclimatology; in addition, most scientists will speak in very cautious terms about what we know and don't know. Science has become a very high-stakes, drama-queen pursuit these days. Plus, I wouldn't expect Dr. Hilliker to want to intrude on another scientist's turf, just out of professional courtesy.

There are several scientists named Taylor who work in climatology. Elwen didn't come up.

You're really going to have to make a better case, by the way. There are hundreds of climatologists and meteorologists who have been losing sleep over the weather phenomena of the past half decade. Some, like Wallace Broecker (Columbia) and Robert Gagosian (Woods Hole), have been "predicting" these changes for years (Broecker started work in the late 1950s IIRC). Both anthropogenic and naturalistic models have been largely verified.

This is no trivial "the liberals just want to shut down industry" issue. Although the actual temperature changes are in the 2C range, the systematic effects have been enormous. In any scenario, responding to natural or artificial changes in climate, our actions have been reckless and will potentially become lethal to large numbers of people.

--p!
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:11 PM
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13. What kind of seeds have you been growing? Poppies?
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