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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 12:12 AM Original message |
Forget Shorter Showers - Why Personal Change is not Political Change |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. K&R many times over |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
2. I have been a meticulous consumer |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
3. Meh.....I hate wasting water on a personal level |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I'm glad you're feeling good about yourself. But you haven't done anything except |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 09:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Well I cut my DWP bill about 35% for one thing! |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. True, there's no need to be wasteful. The danger though is people |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
38. Yeah, that works really well ... |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 09:02 AM Response to Reply #4 |
40. Something is greater than nothing. Actions speak louder than words. |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 04:15 AM Response to Original message |
5. K&R |
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Kringle (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 04:26 AM Response to Original message |
6. tourism is an environmental disaster .nt |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 05:24 AM Response to Original message |
7. i'm still thinking about the naked dancing thing. i think that one requires closer examination. |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 08:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. agree |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
8. "...the role of an activist" |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Yes |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 06:11 AM Response to Original message |
9. You want to talk about waste? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
10. The value of personal action isn't in the immediate environmental savings |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Thank you! |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Agreed. Just don't stop at personal change, organize to make systemic change. nt |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. The people who started the civil rights movement... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I want to make sure that those who stick with personal change don't feel marginalized |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Not denigrating anyone... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I know you're not, and yes activism is needed. |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Dragging people for decades isn't wasteful though? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Good point about waste. |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Good point about regulation |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #10 |
35. Very true. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
20. I've been mentioning this every time someone says "The Gulf Oil gusher is OUR fault" |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. We can reduce our individual use of oil and plastics, though. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. We have alternatives for oil, but we're 30 years behind other nations |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Actually, we can do a lot of that... |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Point is: if the government mandates specific actions our dependence on forgeign oil |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 07:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Oil is definitely subsidized |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
29. You know... |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 08:21 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Depends on who's in them at the time ... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
31. Yeah, voting is another highly-rated personal solution. |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. abhorrent?? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Abdication of personal responsibility |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Every little bit helps |
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Beartracks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
32. Reminds me of the stupid attacks against Al Gore... |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
36. It might not be intended as such ... |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Which is why I was surprised how little traction the actual message of the Copenhagen debacle got |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. +1000 |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Yep, that nailed it. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Why am I not carrying your child? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
42. There is one personal change that will make a measurable difference |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
43. Great article |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
45. It's self-serving pablum that distracts blame away from the system as a whole. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Consumers can change their behaviour even if the coporate system doesn't want them to. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Self-serving pablum like the OP? |
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