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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 06:35 PM
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San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 06:36 PM by wtmusic
I took my kids for a tour of San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station today, and brought along a friend who's an environmental engineer working on solid waste gasification technologies.

After 9/11 the public isn't allowed onsite - they conduct the tour at the training facility on the other side of the 5 freeway. I had to make reservations months in advance, providing name and citizenship, and security was tight. As you can see in the third photo (from left), we nearly had the tour to ourselves.

The tour starts with a 1-1/2 hour overview of the history and operation of the plant, going into basic principles of nuclear fission and reactor design. At San Onofre there are two traditional HPWRs (high-pressure water reactors), which use closed loops of water at 2200 psi and 595°F to pull heat from the reactor cores. Each loop conducts thermal energy to a steam generator, which drives the turbines. At full capacity (most efficient) each reactor generates 1,100 MWe.

Afterwards, the tour went around the building to view the various classrooms where employees are taught how to run a nuke plant. There is a shortage of qualified operators, so Southern California Edison trains from within and pays well (if you're one of the six people in the reactor control room you're making about $150K). Finally, we viewed a control room simulator which is an exact mockup of the actual room. A senior employee tests trainees by throwing simulated "events" at them from a side room computer console and evaluating their response.

They seem obsessive about safety, and I was surprised at the number of times Three Mile Island came up. Although someone in our tour asked about Chernobyl, they dismissed it as a terrible design which doesn't exist anymore, run by poorly trained people. Interestingly, however, we learned that Chernobyl unit #4 continued to provide power until 2000 (I hope the Russians pay their reactor operators even more). Three Mile Island hit close to home because it is a similar design, and they were constantly describing how this or that was "a lesson we learned from TMI." There are four levels of safety alerts at San Onofre, and the plant has never gotten past a Stage 1. I asked our guide how much radiation he has been exposed to during his 26 years at the plant. He claims that his total exposure has been less than 1,000 millirem (about that of a CAT scan), and his worst year was 100 millirem.

Like all other American power reactors, waste is stored on-site. It's kept in pools of water next to the reactors for 7 years until it cools down, then in dry cask storage.

Below, on the far right, is a little tsotchke they gave us - a plastic cylinder the size of a uranium fuel pellet (note dime for scale). The energy each pellet provides is equivalent to that from 149 gallons of oil, one ton of coal, or 17,000 ft3 of natural gas.

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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 06:43 PM
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1. Cool. Thanks for sharing.
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 06:44 PM by Statistical
I went on tour of Surry Nuclear Generating Station, however that was prior to 9/11 (1985 I think?). You could actual go into a room that overlooked the control room (not onto control room floor) and go inside turbine building.

Glad that some plants are at least giving "limited" tours post 9/11.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 06:46 PM
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2. Someday, when archeologists dig this up
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 06:46 PM by izquierdista
They will marvel at the ancient cult of the concrete ta-tas.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 06:51 PM
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4. LOL yes, that simply cannot be a coincidence. nt
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:01 PM
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6. Ta-tas at San Onofre?
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:15 PM
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9. Yes, the Big Round Things!
That's what staff people at Diablo Canyon call the reactor core containment structures, BRT's for short.

I haven't been to San Onofre, but have been twice through Diablo, and we got to go on the turbine deck.

Otherwise, both plants and the tours are really similar.



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jemsan Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 06:47 PM
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3. As someone who lives about 30 miles from San Onofre..
I'm very glad they seem to have good security and let's hope they never get above Stage 1. Of course, the quake the other day and the dozens of aftershocks we are experiencing do make me a tad nervous...Did they mention how earthquake ready they are, especially considering how close they are to the San Andreas fault?
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 06:51 PM
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5. They reported no damage and reactor did not need to go offline during recent quake
The 7.2 earthquake felt across Southern California Sunday caused several power outages, but it appears the nuclear power plant in San Clemente came through the incident without significant damage.

The U.S. Geological Survey reported the quake hit at 3:40 p.m. According to Jennifer Ramp of San Diego Gas & Electric, nearly 2,400 customers lost power in Dana Point, just inside the Orange County line. SDG&E serves Orange County as far north as Mission Viejo.

...

Ramp said crews are also checking for damage to SDG&E substations, but there hasn’t been any confirmed. The shaker did not result in a shutdown of the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station, but workers began inspecting the facility, according to a statement issued by Southern California Edison.

The reactor known as “Unit 3” has been operating at half-power for several weeks. The nuclear plant is built to withstand a 7.0 earthquake five miles away, according to SDG&E.

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-04-04/local-county-news/san-clemente-nuclear-power-plant-survives-quake

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:05 PM
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7. The Mexicali earthquake set off alarms but didn't shut down the plant
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 07:07 PM by wtmusic
Re: seismic readiness, that would have been a good question to ask.

Even in a worst-case scenario (a "LOCA", or Loss Of Coolant Accident where all the water leaks out of the core) with this design the reactor just shuts down (no heat is generated without water). Everything radioactive is sealed within a steel-lined concrete containment vessel that's 4 feet thick.

They show video of a test jet fighter flying into a similar wall, with little damage.

On edit: regarding security, the plant has 2,000 employees and 500 of them deal with security.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:11 PM
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8. NRC: San Onofre workers fear retaliation
http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2010/03/02/nrc-san-onofre-workers-fear-retaliation/20649/

NRC: San Onofre workers fear retaliation
March 2nd, 2010, 4:37 pm · 9 Comments · posted by Pat Brennan, green living, environment editor

Fear of management retaliation is so widespread among employees at the San Onofre nuclear plant that some are reluctant to report safety concerns, even though plant workers as a whole made nearly 10 times more safety complaints than the mid-range for the industry in 2009.

Management at the plant, owned by Southern California Edison, has created a “chilling effect” among a minority of workers, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission said in a letter to plant management Tuesday, although those employees are widespread among many worker groups.

The letter, which followed an “exit meeting” between San Onofre management and NRC, says managers must develop an action plan within 30 days to address the problems.

“NRC is taking action, issuing what is called a ‘chilling effect letter’ to the licensee,” said NRC spokeswoman Lara Uselding. “We’ve had concerns for some time that there was a growing perception by employees that if they were to raise concerns, they would have retaliation.

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:16 PM
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10. San Onofre plant managers say they are fixing problems; Lax safety culture cited at facility
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/26/san-onofre-plant-managers-say-they-are-fixing/

San Onofre plant managers say they are fixing problems
Lax safety culture cited at facility

By Michael Burge, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Friday, March 26, 2010 at 12:05 a.m.

Operators of the San Onofre nuclear power plant faced a skeptical public and hard questions by regulators this week about when the plant is going to fix long-standing weaknesses in its safety culture.

Plant managers admitted the plant has problems but told Nuclear Regulatory Commission officials that they’ve established new procedures to fix them.

The NRC and representatives of Southern California Edison, the plant’s operator, held a public meeting Wednesday at the Doubletree Guest Suites in Dana Point. About 175 people — many of them plant workers — attended.

The NRC issued two letters this month, one citing a “chilling effect” at the plant that said plant workers feared retaliation if they raised concerns about nuclear safety issues.

The other was the agency’s annual evaluation letter, which said the plant is operated safely but continues to show a lax “safety culture,” meaning operators don’t always follow prescribed procedures, and managers don’t always follow up to assure tasks are performed correctly.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:39 AM
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11. Appears that wtmusic's tour reflects that.
All's well.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 02:50 PM
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13. No, all is not well, this is a long-standing problem there and it still isn't fixed.
Edited on Wed Apr-07-10 02:53 PM by bananas
And wtmusic's doesn't reflect anything, he got a public tour, done for PR.
do
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 02:57 PM
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14. This is why the NRC is the backup
Edited on Wed Apr-07-10 03:54 PM by Statistical
The system doesn't rely on workers reporting issues only to company.

Workers can:
a) report issues to company
b) reports issues to NRC (anonymously or not depending on workers choice)
c) report issues to both NRC & company

Per the articles you quoted:
"plant workers as a whole made nearly 10 times more safety complaints than the mid-range for the industry in 2009."

So issues are being reported. The company needs to work on its "corporate culture" but even in policies the NRC relies on redundant processes.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 03:41 PM
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16. But, but, they fear retaliation!
If they fear retaliation they won't report anything!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 03:40 PM
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15. Yes, the very fact that this information is out proves that there is no veiled secrecy...
...and conspiracy about the safety of this reactor.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:40 AM
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12. Thanks wtmusic, sounds really awesome.
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