Oh! Oh! New Nuclear Power Plant in Finland Announces It's First Leak!!!!

[NNadir]

Somebody call Greenpeace to ride over in their um, diesel powered "Rainbow Warrior," to um, http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/naked-glacier-tunick-08182007">get naked on the ice to complain about the leaky Finnish nuclear site:

Pari litraa kevyttä polttoöljyä valui mereen OL3-työmaalta


Olkiluoto 3:n työmaa-alueen yhdestä sadevesiviemärin poistoputkesta havaittiin 8.4. valuvan mereen öljynsekaista vettä. TVO:n palokunta tulppasi putken, asensi rantapoukamaan öljypuomin ja imeytysmakkaraa rannoille.

Palokunta on seurannut tilannetta. Laajimmillaan öljyä havaittiin noin 150 m2:n alueella. Alue on pienentynyt koko ajan mm. öljyn haihtumisen vuoksi.

Mereen valuneen kevyen polttoöljyn määrän on todettu olevan vähäinen, alle kaksi litraa.

Tällä hetkellä meressä on öljyä puomeilla rajatun alueen sisällä enää joitakin pieniä hajanaisia lauttoja. Öljypuomi pidetään paikallaan vielä ainakin viikonlopun ajan. Öljyvuodon syyn selvittäminen jatkuu.

Öljyvuodon aiheuttama ympäristövaikutus on erittäin vähäinen.

If your Finnish is rusty, here it is in another language with which you may be familiar:

A couple of litres of light fuel oil spilled into sea from OL3 construction site

A spillage of oily water was detected on 8 April from one discharge pipe of a storm drain on the Olkiluoto 3 construction site. TVO's fire brigade plugged the pipe, laid out a containment boom in the cove and absorption booms on the shores.

The fire brigade is monitoring the situation. At its most extensive oil was detected over an area of ca. 150 m2. The area has continued to decrease as a result of e.g. evaporation of oil.

The amount of light fuel oil spilled into the sea has been concluded to have been minor, less than two litres.

At the moment there are only some small, random patches of oil within the sea area enclosed by the containment booms. The booms will remain in place at least over the weekend. Investigations of the cause of the oil spill continue.

The environmental impact of the oil spill is extremely small.

http://www.tvo.fi/www/page/3019/">You may read it here in the language of your choice, so long as you choose either Finnish or English. Norwegian is not an option.

You may also read about Finland's plans for um, well, um, um, um, um...another reactor, OL4.

I suggest though, that you may need to read Finnish to read more about OL4. Not to worry. I'm sure you read Finnish better than the average anti-nuke can read a math book, never mind anything serious about nuclear technology.

Speaking of anti-nukes, how much you wanna bet we hear a lot more about the LEAK!!!!!!!!! at the OL3 NUCLEAR!!!!!!!! power plant than we hear from them ever, about the 3 million humans exposed to um, gasp, carcinogens by um, oil spills, in Karachi harbor?

Largest Human Exposure Ever: Health Effects Tasman Spirit Accident.

In Karachi, since the word "nuclear" couldn't be used, well, they couldn't care less about those people, them there anti-nukes!!!

[Canuckistanian]

1. I'm detecting a hint of sarcasm here

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Javaman]

2. You've been quiet lately, but I see you are now back...

you must have run out of your meds.

[NNadir]

3. I've been disgusted lately, watching all of the pathetic types having the HALLUCINATION that, um,

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/alternate/page/renew_energy_consump/table1.html">0.091 >> 8.455.

Let's ask ourselves if it is delusional to pretend that people coming on a website repeatedly year after year after year after year to represent that their concern for climate change is made more realistic by, um, opposing the this nation's largest source of climate change gas free energy.

Well then...

It is well known, and reported in many hundreds of papers in the primary scientific literature, not often read by people who have, um, hallucinations that http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/alternate/page/renew_energy_consump/table1.html">0.514 >> 83.436 that nuclear energy outstrips all other forms of climate change gas free energy combined.

I have a strong background in medicinal chemistry, and I know more about medications than any of the anti-science types here will ever know. Leaving aside the question of mocking disease states - and I am hardly unsurprised by the blank bigotry of the anti-nukes, who among other things say "Arabs can't have nuclear energy because, well, they're Arabs" - I am quite sure that the medication will never be made that will make the statement http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/alternate/page/renew_energy_consump/table1.html">8.455 < 7.301 true.


You oppose the world's largest, by far, source of climate change gas free energy. You rudely insult those who point that out, and in so doing, in passing, mock a serious disease state that, um, kills people.

And you say I need meds?

Well then...

I lived with a schizophrenic. I watched him die. When not having hallucinations, he was a fine classical singer, a wonderful man with an excellent sense of humor, and a penchant for kindness and goodness that you couldn't fucking imagine. Granted it was tough to talk to him toward the end, frustrating as hell, and very sad. But even loaded down with chlorpromazine, he was no more delusional that the ratholes who think they're going to drive their swell Teslas on a desert paved over with cadmium and selenium. He, at least, had some sense of ethics. He cared about other people. On his worst day, he was more of a pleasure to know than the best anti-nuke, since anti-nukes in general are vicious and rude people who like to promote ignorance.

Got it?

No? Can't understand a fucking word of it? Why am I not surprised?

Have a nice evening.

[Javaman]

4. I rest my case.

please refill your prescription.

[NNadir]

5. I, um, rest MY case.

I have never met a bigot who was anything but proud of being a bigot, just as I have never met a single anti-nuke who could do math.

Since, you, um, seem not to have grasped the numerical issues in my previous post, it is very, very, very, very unlikely that you are qualified to dispense medical advice, since, I have it on very good authority that you, um, have to pass fifth grade math to get into a college, never mind medical school.

Like all anti-nukes, you are, in fact, a snake oil salesmen, although maybe it's, um, algae oil.

The fact is that the EPR mentioned in the opening post, will produce more energy than um, all the solar PV systems in this country, but rather than address that fact, you offer crude insults showing the depth, or maybe the shallows, of your intellect and your personality.

The fact is that - although I can give as good as I get - the anti-nukes, being moral and intellectual cowards, would rather make the conversation about me since, um, no matter how they try, they still can't make http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epat2p2.html">422 = 101,765.

If you have a chance, why not start mocking people with breast cancer and lung cancer? How about brain tumors, gliomas for instance? I watched someone die from one of those too. I'm sure you would have been extremely amused.

You know, when I watch the oblivious little cretins here talk about their fantasy cars while more than two billion people on this planet lack access to food and water, I am startled by the depth of moral depravity and indifference. There is NOT ONE anti-nuke on this website, NOT ONE, who has dissuaded me from changing my extremely low opinion of their ethics.

Have a nice morally oblivious evening, consumer boy.

[Javaman]

11. :)

I don't even bother reading your rants anymore. Because they all read the same. Rants rants rants.

You really need a new schtick.

You really are boorish.

You would fair much better if you chose a more logical approach instead of screaming and ranting.

But alas, that is all you know and that's why you are the side show of this forum.

Cheers!

[joshcryer]

6. Why do you compare PV to nuke, but wind to fossil?

Also, given that we are well past the 2008 cycle, it is likely that renewables will produce as much if not more energy than nuclear in the 2010 report.

Note I completely agree with any sentiments that we are well on our way to fucking ourselves (see COP15), but to pretend that the technology is itself incapable is disingenuous at best. This is a political environment we must deal with.

[NNadir]

9. Sigh...

I could compare any number of permuations of comparisons of energy techniques, and still show that nuclear is the best form of energy there is, bar none. This is not to state that nuclear is perfect. It is not. It's merely better than every thing else.

I've been writing here every year for 8 long years, and in that time, I always hear "wait'll next year." Apparently the anti-nukes think they're fans of the Brooklyn Dodgers.

The renewable industry is not dominated by wind, solar or geothermal. These are trivial and essentially useless forms of energy that probably don't cover the energy they consume in claiming how great they are.

The bulk of the energy coming under "renewables" consists of burning stuff: Garbage and plant matter, and oh, and EtOH that the corn lobby comes here to prattle on about all the time. Thats 3.884. quads. The next largest is hydroelectric, which isn't going anywhere, since we now have very few rivers that actually flow to the sea.

We could build one or two reactors and produce as much energy as solar produces.

We could build ten reactors and need none of those dubious windmills. More importantly we can build just 590 reactors and eliminate coal burning in this country, completely and forever. It's terrible to contemplate how much surface area of the country renewables would need to ban coal.

The anti-nukes however are not interested in climate change. They are interested in espousing a kind of religious hatred of a particular science, nuclear science.

They couldn't care less about the future.

[madokie]

10. You forgot the solar pool lights

:rofl:

[jpak]

7. How's the molten salt breeder coming along?

:rofl:

[NNadir]

12. Excellent. I am working on a variety of salts that have been over looked by the FLIBE teams, and

the FLINAK teams over at Berkeley, although I have a lot of respect for those guys.

I don't agree with their approach necessarily, but it will certainly work. (They are now one of the most famous MSR teams working in the field now.)

I've worked out several new extraction ideas for controlling reactivity via the removal of lanthanides, and a reactivity control system that is ingenious if I must say so myself.

I've also been able to dust off an old patent from the early 1970's that had a lot of problems, and am looking to modify it, so as to apply it in a different way so as to overcome its shortcomings that lead to its withdrawl. Modern materials science has developed certain kinds of membranes, some of which are fluid, that have been the subject of hundreds of publications in the last several years. Applied here they will solve some very difficult problems and they will fit nicely with MSR technology.

This new system should give a direct cycle to make syn gas from carbon dioxide and water without the (admittedly surmountable) drawbacks of the SI cycle on which the Chinese, French, and Koreans continue to work. They get hydrogen; I get syn gas directly. In theory, though probably not in practice, I can get the carbon directly syn gas from that great anti-nuke waste dump, the one that Gerhard Schroeder's and Amory Lovins paymasters use, the atmosphere.

I feel very, very, very, very smug citing prior art here.

It's all very cool.

The design involves a tunable neutron spectrum - the CALPHAD data has offered an intense source of knowledge - and with due deference to my thorium friends - for whom I have great respect - my design is geared to exploiting advanced plutonium, particularly that with a lot of 240 and 241. Plenty of this should be available within a few decades, given the MOX operations in Europe and the plan to be running many Japanese reactors on MOX by 2015. I think that it is crucial to humanity to utilize Pu-241 before it decays into Am-241, because the scale up of nuclear energy will certainly require maximal neutron economy.

Thanks for asking.

I'd ask, of course, how it's going with you, but your rolling giggles have always summed you up your status pretty well. It's not like you have any depth whatsoever, since from what I garner, you have been spectacularly free of a requirement to do anything meaningful. In any case, it's not like we're friends after all, and now that the anti-nuke faith has become a joke, I suppose that all that's left for you is insipid giggling, no?

[jpak]

13. The meds are really not doing it are they

:rofl:

[Javaman]

14. I've concluded that the OP is nothing more than...

the crazy guy on the corner holding a sign reading, "get a brain morans!".

[madokie]

15. If it never was obvious before

it sure is obvious now that you're fucking nuts, and I'm not talking sex here either.
Sue the doc for mis-diagnosis big guy, it's your only chance.
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[madokie]

8. Whats your purpose?

I can count the number of pro nuke people here on any given day on my digits so why are you here? Just so you can rant and rave and call people names. You need meds bad big guy, whatever they're giving you now needs to be one of two things, stopped and try something else or increased because you aren't getting quit enough. Your old tired ranting shit is starting to suck big time

The only person I've ever read that constantly links to your own tripe. :crazy:

I want to read some peer reviews on some of your work that you claim to always be doing. Not the guy at the radio station that went down on you there on air either, thats not what I'm talking about. Real people reviewing your tripe, posts some links please

Otherwise have a great day, I am :rofl:

[invader zim]

16. whatever...

I personally find Nnadir's posts very informative and insightful. He has certainly changed my views on nuclear power. I once thought solar would save the world, I now see that is not the case.

Solar is useful in certain limited situations. Not a world winner by any stretch of the imagination...

[madokie]

17. Well ain't you special

as someone said once, stupid is as stupid does.