Jesse Ventura Examines Global Warming – Huh?

[dfgrbac]

I am afraid the Imperial Globalists are succeeding in their propaganda war. Even those who are willing to dig for answers – like me – are getting confused by all the conflicting information. I figured out long ago that their agenda was to keep the people so confused that we could never detect the reality of our oppression and their hold on power over us. But former Governor Ventura has now brought that confusion to a new height. Ventura's show Conspiracy Theory examined the global warming controversy last week.

Just to be clear, I have been solidly in the global warming caused by mankind camp for the past forty years. I read everything I could find on the subject, and the only conclusion I could come to was that climate scientists overwhelmingly agreed that Earth's climate was warming due largely to the industrial revolution – not nature. And each year the news got worse; we had to act in a big way to avoid future catastrophe. The only scientific disagreement I could find was from employees of the fossil fuel industries; their bias was not hard to understand.

Now I have great respect for Governor Ventura, and I was very excited about his new TV program that was to investigate some of the biggest conspiracies of our time. Two weeks ago he tackled 9/11/2001 and did an excellent job exposing why we need a new investigation – and soon while witnesses are available. But Ventura's investigation of global warming turned everything on its head.

His investigation revealed an elite agenda to create new industries and huge profits for those pushing the global warming idea, an agenda centered at the UN and aimed at eventually creating a global currency and government. Ventura claims he found “thousands of climate scientists” who don't think man is causing any change in climate. But here my problem is that he gets an interview from only one, a man who says his life is in danger due to his disagreement. The program states that Earth's temperature has actually decreased for the past eight years, and that all the warming hype is false.

I've got to tell you, I am having a difficult time swallowing this. Most sources claim 2008 was the second warmest year on record. Well, which is it? Someone is lying!

It seems to me that the overwhelming evidence still says that mankind is causing severe havoc with Earth's natural state. It still makes sense for us to protect the only planet we have the best we can. Naturally people will profit by the changing industries; that's the way capitalism works. And this will create many new good jobs. If the data has been fudged as Ventura claims, it is a really massive conspiracy on a scale that is hard for me to wrap my mind around.

The global currency and government is another matter. I already new that was what the global multi-national Imperialists were trying to do. I'd like to see a global government – I think it is inevitable – but I don't want to see it run by corporate dictators (essentially fascists). The world's people should be in charge through democracy!

[Jamastiene]

1. I think it's possible to both believe we are having a profound effect

on global climate AND to believe that people are going to try to make a boatload of money off it at the same time.

I agree with Jesse Ventura on some things, but I always listen just to get another perspective.

[Don Caballero]

2. Jesse Ventura is a propagandist idiot

He believes that Bush carried out 9/11 in an inside job conspiracy theory. Did he ever read Popular Mechanics? He has zero credibility. He doesn't believe the scientific consensus on global warming? Who cares! His dumb show will be cancelled because he sucks.

[dfgrbac]

4. I strongly disagree about 9/11!

We actually know very little about what happened on 9/11/2001. The government's story has so many holes in it, it simply does not make any sense.

Popular Mechanics story has been totally debunked, as has Scientific American's articles and PBS's NOVA program on 9/11. Remember who OWNS these media companies. In the case of PBS, it is the producers of NOVA who are questionable.

Thinking Americans are still looking for the real story. Researchers have discovered some of that truth.

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth proves the buildings came down by controlled demolition. Who did this?

There are a whole lot more questions 9/11 families want answered!

[Don Caballero]

7. So PBS and Popular Mechanics are in on the 9/11 conspiracy?

Ha ha ha! You truthers are so funny. Give me a break.

[Way2go]

12. Two conspiracies. PM is part of the second one.

1. The actual false flag attacks.

2. The coverup.

Just like with JFK: The coup d'tat and the coverup (Warren Commission, Gerald Posner etc.)

[tinrobot]

26. I'd suggest you take this discussion to the 9/11 forum

It was created so people like you can talk amongst yourselves...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

This forum is about environment/energy.

[dfgrbac]

18. What else can we think?

Even the 9/11 Commissioners say the Report was corrupted.

[Way2go]

20. They don't care how much or what you think. They care only

about what you KNOW. And, to KNOW more, you have to read.

[Way2go]

5. Do you think JESSE is financing his TV program?

His corporate sponsors don't think he's a "propagandist idiot"...unlike some who support the official 911 theory that includes
planes melting into buildings.

Are you simply ignorant of the evidence or just trying to discourage others from learning the truth about 911?

[Don Caballero]

8. The truth about 9/11 came out in the Commission Report

Go read it. Quit buying into conspiracy theories.

[Way2go]

9. Right. And the truth about JFK's murder was in the Warren Report

Don't read it. Quit buying into government cover-ups.

[CJCRANE]

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[Jim__]

3. If 1998 was the warmest year on record ,and 2008 the 2nd warmest then ...

... all the years since 1998 have been cooler than 1998. So, global temperature has been cooler every year since 1998. Is that an indication that the earth is going through a cooling trend. Hardly.

I'm curious, what climatologist did Ventura speak to who said man is not causing climate change? And what evidence did this guy offer that his life was in danger?

Why do you have great respect for Jesse Ventura?

[dfgrbac]

11. Jesse Ventura is a former Navy seal for one thing.

I have never caught Ventura in a lie.

He revealed that when he was Governor of Minnesota, the CIA was embedded and could watch everything they did. This tells a lot about corruption in our Federal government.

[divideetimpera]

6. I love ventura! He is an actual leftist

so rare to have his breed on the mainstream media

[Way2go]

10. So far, he's treading very lightly - but still doing very well.

Notice he never challenged the notion that MSM videos show something that's IMPOSSIBLE and couldn't have happened in the real world.
MSM 911 videos show airliners melting into skyscrapers at the WTC. Only CGI planes can do that.

[dfgrbac]

13. Oh, there is no doubt the planes were real and hit the WTC.

That was shown on TV in real time. It was not CGI.

[Way2go]

15. Real planes can't melt into buildings. Only CGI planes can do that.

What was shown on TV was faked videos. NONE show real planes crashing into the WTC. If such existed, they'd have been all over
television - but the only planes seen on TV were CGI planes. You must not know much about 911.

[dfgrbac]

21. They were all over TV - for days!

When were you born?

Oh, that would make you eight. That can't be right.

[Way2go]

22. Yes, "they" were. Not a one showed real planes, either.

Real planes can't melt into buildings. Real planes would CRASH into buildings, not glide thru them as though they were made
of whipped cream. I notice you are unable to deal with that basic little fact. Deny it, but that doesn't disprove it.

[Hav]

23. ?

I think that the first video showing a plane hitting a WTC tower on TV was an amateur video. Even if what you say were true, do you think everybody who was there and might have seen it live is in on the conspiracy that there were no planes? Just asking because their must have been thousands of people in this area, especially after the first tower was hit.

[Way2go]

24. Remember

Lower Manhattan was ordered evacuated, so there weren't many, if any civilians around to see what happened. WTC 1 & 2 collapses
were NOT shown on live tv. Think about it. The only reason why people think it was live tv is because that's what we were told.

Cell phones and video cameras that weren't protected in Faraday boxes were INoperable - DEW zapped them, so only controlled images
could be captured on camera.

google simon shack for a complete, in-depth, honest analysis and explanation for how the hoax was carried out.

[dfgrbac]

25. You have got to be kidding! You are aren't you?

Many amateur videos have surfaced by independent cameras showing the planes hitting the towers. But no videos show a plane hitting Building 7. It came down in classic controlled demolition fashion.

Many amateur videos continued to be shot while the towers burned at the impact points, and during the collapses.

Remember, the government does not want us to think about controlled demolition. The 9/11 Commission Report and NIST never considered that possibility; they ignored it on purpose because they knew it happened - it was so very obvious. Thus, the cover-up theories.

[Progservative_n_SC]

43. You are kidding right?

I dealt with some deluded people while researching the militia movement back in the early 90's for my thesis. You rank up there buddy. Invest in some tin foil stock, I see great demand.

[tinrobot]

27. I teach CGI at a major film school.

"Melting into buildings?"

Ridiculous. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

The second plane's impact was photographed by dozens of cameras and dozens of photographers. There were tens of thousands of eyewitnesses, a few of whom I actually know. The planes hit the towers, no way it could have been faked. If you're looking for a conspiracy, you're barking up the wrong tree.

If you want a real conspiracy, you might want to read up on Dick Cheney and his possible role in making and/or allowing it to happen. Here's a good article:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml

[Way2go]

31. NO evidence for any of your unfounded claims. None.

Did you make up every single statement in your post? Starting with the bogus cgi claim about you being a teacher?
Why would you say such things? What's the point?

[tinrobot]

37. My unfounded claims?

You're the one who claimed the airplane was "CGI"

So, please enlighten me as to how you make a plane "melt into a building" with CGI -- using the technology available in 2001.

I have over 20 years of animation and effects experience, so your response will be graded. My guess is that you wouldn't even know what software/hardware people used back then, much less what the technology could actually do.

[wtmusic]

30. Only a CGP (Computer-Generated Poster) could believe in something that farfetched

You ain't from around these parts, are ya?

[Way2go]

32. YOU are the one who has beliefs, not me.

YOU believe BUSHCO. I don't. The evidence does not support what BUSHCO said. It DOES support the use of CGI planes.
Sorry if that bursts your faith in GW Bush, but facts are facts & neither you nor anyone else can refute the truth. You can only
deny it and insult the messenger, but that won't change the truth about what really happened on 911.

[Don Caballero]

14. On top of being a 9/11 truther you are a no planer!!!!

Holy crap. The truthers are dummies but the no planers take the cake. The craziest of the crazies.

[Way2go]

16. Are you a 911 CGI planer?

Holy crap. The truth deniers are coming out of the disinfo closet...just like real liberal democrats.

[Don Caballero]

17. I have looked at all the conspiracy theory stuff on 9/11

and by far the no-planers are the craziest. Are you a fan of Nico Haupt?

[Way2go]

19. Looked at, but obviously didn't learn much other than BUSHCO

propaganda. Do over.

[SidDithers]

41. There's a forum for 9/11 discussions...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

It's a place where you and your fellow truthers can enjoy a circle-jerk of conspiracy fetishism, blathering on about no-planes and mini-nukes and space beams.

You'll be ridiculed merciclessly by the smarter residents of the dungeon, but you'll be welcomed with open arms by the other loons.

Sid

[Nederland]

28. Stunningly stupid

NYC is home to over 7 million people. Lots of people saw the first plane hit, and literally tens of thousands of people watched the second plane hit simply because they were watching the fire in the first tower. Are they all in on the conspiracy?

[Way2go]

33. There wasn't "tens of thousands of people" watching, because

lower Manhattan had been ordered to be evacuated. You should learn more about the facts before the next time you're tempted to make
yourself look so stunningly uninformed.

[tinrobot]

38. Evidence, please...

Who ordered the evacuation? Who carried it out? Where did the million or so people who work downtown go?

What about Brooklyn Heights? It's right across the river, less than a mile away. Was that evacuated?

What about the Jersey shore? Staten Island? Were they all evacuated, too?

If all of lower Manhattan was evacuated before the second plane hit, then where are the people from the second tower?

[Nederland]

42. More ignorance

Just off the top of my head I can think of two reasons you are wrong. Take your pick:

1) You assume that the only place you can see the South Tower is from Manhattan. This is incorrect. The towers could be seen from numerous locations outside Manhattan.

2) There wasn't enough time. Flight 11 hit the north tower at 8:46am. Flight 175 hit the south tower at 9:03am. Are you suggesting that all of lower Manhattan was evacuated in 17 minutes?


You should learn more about the facts before the next time you're tempted to make yourself look so stunningly uninformed.

[wtmusic]

34. Give up Nederland...your weapons are useless nt

[wtmusic]

29. Does this thread qualify for er, reassignment to the 9/11 dungeon yet?

Here in E/E we're really not qualified to look into this kind of stuff :P

[kgrandia]

35. Noel Sheppard

I didn't watch the show but I heard one of his "expert" witnesses was Noel Shepard from the NewsBuster's troll den. I guess if you want to find evidence of a grand conspiracy you talk the guy whose actually convinced that there is a grand conspiracy.

[skids]

36. So I actually watched this tripe...

...one of the most ham-fisted over-dramatic production jobs I've ever seen.

They talk to a grand total of two scientists both referred to them by
a global warming "skeptic." One blames warming on solar activity and
accuses the entire scientific community of ignoring solar input in their
equations. :eyes:

The other says he was one of the global cooling minority opinion back in
the 60s and claims he gets death threats.

The basic premise of the show is that there are wealthy interests looking
to cash in on carbon trading -- no shit, sherlock. Any systemic change
is subject to manipulation by the rentier leaches, and community ownership of
renewable power resources won't just happen in our capitalist society.
It's up to individuals and communities to ensure that. (My hopes are not
high on that matter given solar and wind are progressing much faster in the
large scale facility market than in localized user-owned installations, but
then we have this unfortunately timed middle class real estate crisis
just as solar PV is starting to get cheap in real-dollar terms.)

In the meantime, however, the show places doubt on settled science, and
continues to push the fake idea that there's really any doubt at this point.
It even tries to use "climategate" emails to cast aspersion.

It's sad Ventura has lent his name and reputation to this crap. At the end
he walks back the dog slightly and gives no opinion on the scientific
assessments, but that doesn't make up for the one-sided nature of the show.
Whether the show was edited to be stronger post-production than Ventura might
have intended, still Ventura does his viewers and fans an immense disservice.

And in the meantime, while the very real problem of global warming
continues to be doubted by people not remotely qualified to offer an
opinion, the oceans continue to acidify and the ocean ecosystem
continues to crumble. And yet we don't seem to talk about that
non-global-warming effect of CO2 99 times out of a hundred...
because we're letting the other side steer the debate

Sigh.

[dfgrbac]

39. I agree with you 100%, skids.

Your critique is on the mark!

[raynjulsks]

40. ah yes... settled science

just like a geocentric universe, Newtonian physics,pre-Rutherford atomic charge distribution, etc, etc, etc....

[skids]

44. ...and the correct temperature to cook pizza at...

:hi: