Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Can the AP1000 be easily made into a breeder? (anti-nuke derision not necessary)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Environment/Energy Donate to DU
 
joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:30 PM
Original message
Can the AP1000 be easily made into a breeder? (anti-nuke derision not necessary)
I was told that making a nuclear plant into a breeder reactor is simply a matter of changing the fuel composition. Is it really that simple or are other structural considerations necessary?

China is planning to build 100 of the things by 2020. It would be useful if all that spent fuel could be recycled.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 01:01 AM
Response to Original message
1. Not particulary
All LWRs (including the AP1000) breed to some extent, although not enough to be considered breeders in the usual sense - they still use more fuel than they make. AP1000s can burn MOX fuel, but require a separate reprocessing plant to make it: They may also be able to burn Thorium MOX, which seems to give a mix of breeding & waste reducing abilities but isn't in use to my knowledge.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:29 PM
Response to Original message
2. I kind of doubt it, but NNadir would probably be the one to ask.
NNadir has access to a lot of scientific papers, while I haven't read much more than Wikipedia. From what I've read about nuclear technology, experimental breeder reactors have been cooled using liquid metal or molten salt. The AP1000 is cooled with water.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Was waiting for his input, but he seems to be on haitus.
Dead_Parrot did give me useful information, though. I just think CHina is going to need a lot of fuel if it's going to keep their AP1000s active for a significant period of time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 12:30 AM
Response to Original message
4. Yes and no. Here is good place to start.
Edited on Wed Nov-18-09 12:34 AM by Statistical
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_reactor

All reactors are breeders to some extent. In Gen III+ reactors with high burnup fuel load about 70%-80% of the power comes from fission products. The reactor produces fuel from the fuel and thus fuel lasts longer improving efficiency. However despite having improved breeding characteristics these are not traditionally considered breeder reactors.

A true breeder reactor produces greater than 1:1 ration of fuel from initial fuel loading. This is not possible in AP1000 or any light water PWR without extensive modification.

Under current waste disposal system all nuclear utilities pay the govt a flat rate of 0.1 per kwh for waste disposal. This means there is little economic incentive to invest in higher cost breeder reactor designs. If instead waste disposal fees were per metric ton or even better depending on the composition of spent fuel (higher activity waste having higher premium) then it would change the economics of breeder reactors.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 02:29 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Environment/Energy Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC