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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 04:53 PM
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Is man on course to cause the sixth extinction?
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 05:00 PM by OKIsItJustMe
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/08/humans-sixth-extinction

Is man on course to cause the sixth extinction?

Forthcoming book examines the role of humans in the eradication of species, and its findings are not likely to be pleasant

Robin McKie
The Observer, Sunday 8 November 2009

At first sight it seems an unlikely topic for a landmark publishing deal: a fee of about half a million dollars for a book about dead animals – or, to be more precise, extinct animals.

Nevertheless the subject of eradicated species has become publishing hot property after a bidding battle in the US saw Henry Holt, a publisher, beat its rivals to buy The Sixth Extinction by Elizabeth Kolbert last week. According to the New York Times, a "mid-six-figure advance" has now been agreed between writer and publisher.

"The idea of mass extinctions as the next step after talking about the perils of global warming is the most crucial subject," said Gillian Blake of Holt, after completing the deal with Kolbert, a writer for the New Yorker on environmental issues. Her last book, Field Notes from a Catastrophe, outlined evidence collated from sites across the planet showing how global warming is changing the world. The book was well reviewed on both sides of the Atlantic, with the Observer praising it as "a superbly crafted, diligently compressed vision of a world spiralling towards destruction".

Now, Kolbert is to focus on humanity's impact on the animal world, and in particular will look at the species that are today being rendered extinct by men and women. Scientists say the number of species being lost is approaching levels reached during five pivotal extinction events that have swept the planet over the past 600 million years. Among these catastrophes was the event that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Kolbert's task will to be show whether or not humanity – with its spiralling population, widespread habitat destruction, over-fishing and global warming – is rivalling these.

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 04:55 PM
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1. Too late. There has never been as many extinctions as there has been the past 20 ys
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 04:59 PM
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2. Short answer? No.
While we might be contributing to its speed and probably are, the truth is that we're still not big or important enough to do something like this barring an all out nuclear war that turns a large part of the planetary surface to obsidian and burns the rest.

Even the dinosaurs had started to die off centuries before that meteor hit and were probably pushed past the point of recovery by massive vulcanism. The meteor just finished them off.

If we're seeing a sixth great die off, we're just in the beginning stages now. It will continue for some time to come, barring a catastrophic event that finishes the process quickly.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:11 PM
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5. I'm not as confident…
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 05:27 PM by OKIsItJustMe
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/05/25/090525fa_fact_kolbert
http://archives.newyorker.com/?i=2009-05-25#folio=053">Elizabeth Kolbert, A Reporter at Large, “The Sixth Extinction?,” The New Yorker, May 25, 2009, p. 53

http://archives.newyorker.com/?i=2009-05-25#folio=053">Read the full text of this article in the digital edition. (Subscription required.)

ABSTRACT: A REPORTER AT LARGE about the sixth mass extinction. Describes how graduate student Karen Lips observed the mysterious disappearance of large numbers of local golden frogs, in the nineteen-nineties, at several locations in Panama and Costa Rica. Whatever was killing Lips’s frogs moved east, like a wave, across Panama. Of the many species that have existed on earth, more than ninety-nine per cent have disappeared. Yet extinction has been a much contested concept. Throughout the eighteenth century, the prevailing view was that species were fixed. Charles Darwin believed extinction happened only slowly, but he was wrong. Over the past half billion years, there have been at least twenty mass extinctions. Five of these—the so-called Big Five—were so devastating that they’re usually put in their own category. The fifth, the end-Cretaceous event, which occurred sixty-five million years ago, exterminated not just the dinosaurs but seventy-five per cent of all species on earth. Once a mass extinction occurs, it takes millions of years for life to recover, and when it does it’s generally with a new cast of characters. In this way, mass extinctions have played a determining role in evolution’s course. It’s now generally agreed among biologists that another mass extinction is under way. If current trends continue, by the end of this century as many as half of earth’s species will be gone. The writer went frog collecting in Chagres National Park with Edgardo Griffith, the director of EVACC (the El Valle Amphibian Conservation Center). About two decades ago, researchers first noticed something odd was happening to amphibians. It’s difficult to say when the current extinction event—sometimes called the sixth extinction— began. Its opening phase appears to have started about fifty thousand years ago, when the first humans migrated across Australia and America. The main culprit in the wavelike series of amphibian crashes is a chytrid fungus, known as Bd. At this point, Bd appears to be unstoppable. Mentions Don Nichols, Allan Pessier, Joyce Longcore, and Rick Speare. In the fossil record, mass extinctions stand out. Mentions Walter Alvarez and the Alvarez hypothesis, which wreaked havoc with the uniformitarian idea of extinction. In 2007, biologist Al Hicks, of the New York State D.E.C., and the National Wildlife Health Center started investigating a series of mysterious bat deaths. Many of the dead bats were discovered with a white substance on their nose, which was cultured and found to be an unidentified fungus. Mentions White-Nose Syndrome (W.N.S.). The writer visited an abandoned mine to study bats with Hicks. One of the puzzles of mass extinction is why, at certain junctures, the resourcefulness of life seems to falter. Just in the last century, carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have changed by as much as they normally do in a hundred-thousand-year glacial cycle. In the end, the most deadly aspect of human activity may simply be the pace itself.


http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2007/05/gone

Gone: Mass Extinction and the Hazards of Earth's Vanishing Biodiversity

By the end of the century, half of all species on Earth may be extinct due to global warming and other causes. Who will survive the world's dwindling biodiversity, and why?
—By Julia Whitty



IN THE FINAL STAGES OF DEHYDRATION the body shrinks, robbing youth from the young as the skin puckers, eyes recede into orbits, the tongue swells and cracks. Brain cells shrivel and muscles seize. The kidneys shut down. Blood volume drops, triggering hypovolemic shock, with its attendant respiratory and cardiac failures. These combined assaults disrupt the chemical and electrical pathways of the body until all systems cascade toward death.

Such is also the path of a dying species. Beyond a critical point, the collective body of a unique kind of mammal or bird or amphibian or tree cannot be salvaged, no matter the first aid rendered. Too few individuals spread too far apart or too genetically weakened are susceptible to even small natural disasters. A passing thunderstorm. An unexpected freeze. Drought. At fewer than 50 members, populations experience increasingly random fluctuations until a kind of fatal arrhythmia takes hold. Eventually, an entire genetic legacy, born in the beginnings of life on Earth, is smote from the future.

Scientists recognize that species continually disappear at a background extinction rate estimated at about one species per million species per year, with new species replacing the lost in a sustainable fashion. Occasional mass extinctions convulse this orderly norm, followed by excruciatingly slow recoveries as new species emerge from the remaining gene pool until the world is once again repopulated by a different catalog of flora and fauna. From what we understand so far, five great extinction events have reshaped Earth in cataclysmic ways in the past 439 million years, each one wiping out between 50 and 95 percent of the life of the day, including the dominant lifeforms, the most recent event killing off the non-avian dinosaurs. Speciations followed, but an analysis published in Nature showed that it takes 10 million years before biological diversity even begins to approach what existed before a die-off.

Today we're living through the sixth great extinction, sometimes known as the Holocene extinction event. We carried its seeds with us 50,000 years ago as we migrated beyond Africa with Stone Age blades, darts, and harpoons, entering pristine Ice Age ecosystems and changing them forever by wiping out at least some of the unique megafauna of the times, including, perhaps, the saber-toothed cats and woolly mammoths. When the ice retreated, we terminated the long and biologically rich epoch sometimes called the Edenic period with assaults from our newest weapons: hoes, scythes, cattle, goats, pigs.



You probably had no idea. Few do. A poll by the American Museum of Natural History finds that 7 in 10 biologists believe that mass extinction poses a colossal threat to human existence, a more serious environmental problem than even its contributor, global warming, and that the dangers of mass extinction are woefully underestimated by most everyone outside of science. In the 200 years since French naturalist Georges Cuvier first floated the concept of extinction, after examining fossil bones and concluding "the existence of a world previous to ours, destroyed by some sort of catastrophe," we have only slowly recognized and attempted to correct our own catastrophic behavior.

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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:03 PM
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3. My view is the trigger has already been pulled. Why is man any different. We're
bringing on our own extinction rapidly IMO. So sad for a supposedly intelligent species. Makes the meaning of intelligence questionable...
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:46 PM
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9. While I think we might be helping
I don't think it's entirely of our own making.

I came to terms with the notion that we might be the rough draft for intelligent life on this planet a long time ago.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 06:30 PM
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12. Excellent way of putting it, "we might be the rough draft for intelligent life on this planet." I
find your comment very helpful. It actually brings many things into a better perspective for me. I often find things that should be ever so logical very exasperating because there is often so much opposition to what makes sound sense. Thanks!!!
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:05 PM
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13. This of course implies some motivation to produce intelligent life through multiple attempts
Why would you assume that our replacements will be more intelligent, let alone intelligent at all?
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:10 PM
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14. Our replacements?
Who says we're intelligent in the first place? Clever I can buy into. "Intelligent" not so much.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:24 PM
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15. As compared to what? (a slime mold?)
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 07:29 PM by OKIsItJustMe
I’d say we’re reasonably intelligent, at least by commonly accepted usages of the word (we defined it, to apply to ourselves after all…)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intelligent


synonyms http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intelligent">intelligent, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clever">clever, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alert">alert, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quick-witted">quick-witted mean mentally keen or quick. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intelligent">intelligent stresses success in coping with new situations and solving problems <an intelligent person could assemble it fast>. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clever">clever implies native ability or aptness and sometimes suggests a lack of more substantial qualities <clever with words>. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alert">alert stresses quickness in perceiving and understanding <alert to new technology>. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quick-witted">quick-witted implies promptness in finding answers in debate or in devising expedients in moments of danger or challenge <no match for his quick-witted opponent>.


My question still stands though: “Why would you assume that our replacements will be more intelligent, let alone intelligent at all?”
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:32 PM
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16. An intelligent species
doesn't deliberately saw off the branch of the tree of life it's sitting on. A clever one might ("Hey, look at this nifty chain-saw I built...") but I'd like to think an intelligent one might pause before doing any of the million and one rash, short-sighted, selfish, callous, careless, downright stupid things humanity has done over the last 10,000 years or more.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:40 PM
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17. Well, it's a relative thing…
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 07:44 PM by OKIsItJustMe
Can you list any more intelligent species? (as evidenced by…?)

The very fact that we have dictionaries to look the word “intelligent” up in has to say something about our level of intelligence…


My question still stands though: “Why would you assume that our replacements will be more intelligent, let alone intelligent at all?”


I think what you perceive as a lack of intelligence is really more a lack of knowledge. (As we have gained knowledge, we’ve come to understand our situation better.)
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:59 PM
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18. It's not lack of knowledge.
The people responsible for fouling Upper Silesia, the industrialized villages of China, mining towns from Russia to Peru and the Canadian tar sands had all the knowledge they needed. They did it anyway, in the name of short-term greed. That's not a hallmark of intelligence in my books.

There is of course no other more intelligent species around, much to my dismay. It's entirely possible that our kind of intelligence is a self-limiting evolutionary dead end. I would like to see a replacement species that was a tenth as clever but ten times wiser and more empathic.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:51 PM
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22. It's also not a lack of intelligence on the part of humanity per se
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 10:55 PM by OKIsItJustMe
Knowing what they did, these individuals chose to do the things that they did, "in the name of short-term greed."

That does not mean that the species as a whole is not intelligent. After all, you identify their actions as not being intelligent. So, you are intelligent. Are you not human?


As for a replacement that you might like to see… based on the fossil record, you’re not likely to get your wish. I don’t think they will arrive by chance. You need a Deus Ex Machina, where the evil species is banished, and the virtuous species takes its place.


Did you listen to the Radiolab show I linked to the other day? Near the end, the suggestion is made that just as humanity has domesticated the dog, changing its physical characteristics, and instinctual behaviors… humanity has domesticated itself as well. The suggestion was that in the past, when we became organized into communities, communities were able to eliminate the rule of “might makes right,” and individuals who made anti-social choices (like those you’ve identified) were (ahem…) prevented from passing on their genes.

It’s possible, that, given time, we might as a species domesticate ourselves still further, becoming wiser and more empathic. We might become the replacements you long for.
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:06 AM
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25. As individuals, we display intelligence or cleverness. As a species, we behave like a pack of hyenas
Human societies are the weak link in the evolutionary chain. Every advanced society developed into greatness through the leadership of a few highly intelligent visionaries. After a genration or a few generations, the dregs rose to the top and, through greed, arrogance, and downright stupidity, ran that civilization into the ground.

The masses in any society are merely followers. Socially and morally, the mass of the people are little better than a pack of dogs. They kowtow to the alpha dog who is the most aggressive and bullying, even when they know that the judgment of the leader is faulty.

All of the great empires of the past degenerated and collapsed because of arrogant, greedy, corrupt, and often violent leadership.

At crisis points in its history, the U.S. also came to the brink of collapse. It was saved by effective leadership by visionaries such as Lincoln and FD Roosevelt. We are now at another crisis point in history thanks to the horrifically corrupt leadership of Reagan and the two Bush regimes.

The REAL U.S. economy has been pillaged by a ruthless corporatocracy that profited hugely from a colonial mentality that eliminated American jobs and replaced them with slave labor in Asia and other third world countries. Then they compounded the problem by creating worthless debt instruments and selling them to an already struggling middle class in order to create imaginary profits a la Enron. Then the corporatocracy gulled a corrupt government into creating even more debt to bail out their failed financial schemes, further crippling an already gutted middle class.

The REAL economy is jobs: people earning a living and paying taxes. That is the only REAL economy that makes a country great.

NO specific corporation is "too big to fail". Instead of bailing out the big banks and allowing them to merge, they should have been broken up. If one is being attacked by a ravenous, blood-thirsty shark, one doesn't feed it in a futile attempt to satisfy its insatiable hunger. One kills it.

We currently watch as a bunch of greedy, corrupt demagogues are trying to thwart the efforts of the first sensible leader in eight years as he tries to undue the damage done to this country over the past thirty-plus years. I am hopeful that President Obama can succeed, but I am not very optimistic.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:10 PM
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19. I'm not a pessimistic person, but I think it's a draft and that's it. Project ends. n/t
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:12 PM
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20. Sometimes the prototype just proves the concept is unfeasible...
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:25 PM
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21. Yes, quite a realistic view. When I look at the world and the obvious immaturity of
humans it's hard to think otherwise. BTW, You, OKIsItJustMe and everyone have certainly posted some interesting information. Thanks!
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:57 PM
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23. You’re welcome
However, if humanity is as immature as you suggest, how is it that you (who I presume to be human) are mature enough to recognize that?
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:02 AM
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24. I'm not sure! Good point! So, I'll rephrase that to, "When I look at the world and
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 12:10 AM by RKP5637
the obvious immaturity of many humans it's hard to think otherwise." BTW, that's not meant to be arrogant, just a thought!
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wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:15 PM
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27. Ironically...some individuals are brilliant...but on average the species...
...is dumber than yeast.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:09 PM
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4. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread,OKIsItJustMe.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:30 PM
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7. You’re welcome
I wish it wasn’t a real concern…
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:38 PM
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8. I wish it wasn't a real concern as well and should it occur,
there will be great feelings of, new word I invented "cassandracholy."

Combination of Cassandra + melancholy.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:19 PM
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6. The repubs certainly are.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 06:01 PM
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10. If we stopped today, I bet it would still show up in the future fossil record.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 06:01 PM
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11. Yes. That's life. Let's make the best of it, shall we.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:20 AM
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26. She's 14 years too late ...

Richard Leakey & Roger Lewin wrote "The Sixth Extinction" on the same
subject back in 1995.

> Kolbert's task will to be show whether or not humanity – with its spiralling
> population, widespread habitat destruction, over-fishing and global warming
> – is rivalling these.

Obviously it needs a New York journalist to put just the right spin on
the subject.

:eyes:

Still, you never know, it might reach a few more people so in that sense
it is a good thing. Shame she couldn't come up with a new title to at least
imply that it's a new subject rather than one that intelligent people have
been aware of for decades ...
:shrug:
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 08:42 AM
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28. humans are a global natural disaster
We quadrupled in less than a century and are endangering our own species' future.

And some bald monkeys still try to say their species can't have such an impact :eyes:
I'm ashamed, sick in my heart, that any of my fellow Democrats aren't concerned with one animal wiping out so many others. fucking ashamed.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:11 PM
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29. But their kids are special genius snowflakes, dontchaknow. eom
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 03:49 PM
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30. The delicious paradox is that we're both.
Plague species and miracle.
Transcendent spirits with feet of clay.
Yin and yang.
Either, both, neither.

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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:35 PM
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31. it's like, right NOW is when we'll prove what we are
any moment now
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