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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:42 AM Original message |
A msg from B. Boxer (D) to the "naysayers" |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
1. Did electricity rates actually decline from 1990 to 2006? |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Um, because it's pure garbage.... |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. "You would be amazed what you see here at E&E where numbers are concerned." BWAHAHA! |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Yes, they did, in constant dollars. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Good table, maybe that stat doesn't seem right to be because |
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heartlessrock (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. / |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
7. Burning coal is cheap in the short run, Barbara. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. This is one of those Zombie Bad Analogies That Will Not Die |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. That doesn't affect the policy tool's ability to do the job. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. It's an ineffective cowardly way out. Politically viable, but useless. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. A straight tax is right up there with nationalizing the coal industry |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. I have a theory about why cap-and-trade is more politically popular. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. If it were made airtight (CO2-tight?) |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. That isn't true. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. It's acceptable to the politicians because it can be disarmed by stealth. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Bullshit. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I'm not saying, "Don't implement it" |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. That's the kind of statement that causes me problems |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. What you just said is very interesting. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. More than |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 03:35 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. That's not carbon dioxide. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. And you still don't know what you are talking about. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. You know, I don't think I ever realized S and NOx were cap/trade.... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. It doesn't matter. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. It's a giveaway to the coal industry. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. A straight tax is right up there with nationalizing the coal industry |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. If you prefer something that will "work" why would you support this? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. You have zero credibility left. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Kristopher, what's this bill to you? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. "my coal industry quote..." |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I'm not working to DERAIL it. I can sit back and watch it crash and burn on its own. |
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excess_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 04:56 AM Response to Reply #17 |
28. 'cap and trade' is a windfall for electric power, a regulated industry |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Since you are making up numbers |
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excess_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. I give up, how much carbon allowance do they get? n/t |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Speaking of tools... |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Carbon trading -- a tool with no substance. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
9. Here Boxer is showing us how to do it |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
13. Besides the local examples on this thread |
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excess_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 04:44 AM Response to Original message |
27. environmental laws ceate jobs, look at UAW's membership |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. your analogy is almost too ignorant to reply to. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
36. Kick -- we need more than 24 hours to rec a thread . . .!!! |
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