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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 06:56 PM
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Australian Salt: Intensive agriculture’s ecological surprises.
Edited on Wed Oct-01-08 07:07 PM by NNadir
I have no idea, of course, whether this bit has any implications for the great car CULTure biofuel Ponzi scheme, but it would seem that the Australian agribusiness sector has a tiny bit of a problem on its hands. To wit:

Salt has long been a part of Australia’s geology. It enters the rocks through saltwater infusion and never leaves, because the country’s dry conditions do not produce enough freshwater runoff to flush the salt back to sea. The original vegetation evolved to survive dry weather as the root systems absorb as much water as possible and hold on to it. As a result, the salt stayed in the rocks just underneath the tips of the plants’ deep roots. But that has been changing over the past couple of centuries, ever since European settlers began replacing the original vegetation with agricultural crops. They flooded the landscape with more water to grow their crops, which are less efficient at holding on to water than the naturally occurring plants are. More water seeped underground, the water table rose, and the salinity of the water increased. Now, a “white plague” is taking over Australia’s agricultural landscape. The increasing salinity threatens 2.5 million hectares, and that number could rise to 15 million, according to the Australian Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation.


http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/sample.cgi/esthag/2008/42/i16/pdf/es801667a.pdf

If you think, by the way, that this problem of salinity is limited to the Australians, you haven't given very much thought to the salt questions related to the fact that almost none of the water in either the Colorado or the Rio Grande ever reaches the sea.

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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 07:18 PM
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1. Yes, there are future implications for the US.
Permaculture would be one way to address it, btw.

and I love your sig. line.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 08:43 PM
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2. No one could have possibly forseen this! Seriously, whoever heard of salt affecting farming??
:eyes:

I remember going out to Kern County, CA, when I was a kid, and seeing mile after mile after mile of snow-white farmland, crusted with salt and permanently out of commission.

And that was decades ago. Not even fun to speculate on soil conditions now . . .
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:31 PM
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3. And then of course, there's the Imperial Valley.
I recall reading, and I'm not sure this is true that the tale of the Romans spreading salt on the granary of Carthage is untrue, that the story arose because of the natural consequences of irrigation.

It was said, if I recall correctly, that North Africa was the granary of the Roman Empire after conquest.

I don't think they grow much wheat in Tunisia.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:38 PM
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4. I'm getting that "we're boned" feeling again.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:41 PM
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5. I can't say I ever lose that feeling.
Sometimes I think to myself that I shouldn't open the latest issue of Environ. Sci. Tech. but then I do.

I am very thankful for Sarah Palin. She's been great comic relief.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:51 AM
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9. Oooh. Déjà vu. nt
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 12:36 AM
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6. North Africa is a special case, it has been drying up for the last 3400 years
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 12:37 AM by happyslug
About 10,000 years ago, what is now the Sahara desert, was a huge Savanna feed by water from Monsoons. This is believed to be related to the retreat of the Glaciers and then a warming up of the Sahara. The problem was about 6000 years ago North Africa started to cool down, which meant they was less of a temperature difference between North Africa and the South Atlantic so the Monsoons stop going as far north about 3400 BC. This cut back the rains drastically leading to a slow but steady drying up of the Sahara. Thus the problem for North Africa is a DROP in temperature not an increase in temperature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahara
http://www.livescience.com/history/060720_sahara_rains.html

This also leads to the Mediterranean Climate noted for in the Mediterranean:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_climate

Carthage was a Granary, but the main Roman Granary was Egypt (and after the Arab Conquest and the move of the Capital to Constantinople, the Ukraine). Egypt became so important that even by the time of Augustus NO Roman Senator could go to Egypt without permission of the Emperor. The Emperor feared that a Senator wanting to grab power, would cut off the grain from Egypt to Rome thus the ban on any Senator. In fact while Egypt was the richest Provence of The Roman Empire, no Senator was ever Governor of Egypt. The Imperial Prefect in Egypt was always a member of the Equestrian Order, the middle class of Rome. Elsewhere such prefects ranged from Tax Collectors to what we would call Governors (But as members of the Equestrian order could command no Roman Troops, but could command non-Roman Troops thus the comment that the Prefect of Judea, Pontius Pilate, had no Roman Troops under his command, all he had was Jewish and Greek Troops (Called Axillary for NOT Roman Citizens).

More on Prefect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefect

Anyway, Rome survived on Egyptian Bread not African Bread (Using Africa as the Romans used that term, to mean modern Tunisia). Tunisia us still a rich agricultural area but has suffered form the drying of the Sahara over the last 3600 years. At the time of Carthage, horse could still be used as transport in the Sahara, but by the time of Augustus Camels were brought over from Arabia to do the same work (Do to the continued drying of the climate).

My point is simple, Carthage was an important source of food for Rome (More Olives and Olive oil then anything else), it was secondary to Egypt when it came to grain (Through Grain is still the #3 agriculture export). Carthage main function after it became part of the Roman Empire was as the Roman Gateway to Africa (Remember the sea route would NOT open up till about 1492 AD, about the same time Columbus discovered America). Carthage had been destroy by Rome, but had been rebuilt by Caesar and had quickly become the Second largest City in the Western Half of the Roman Empire (Alexandria and the wealth of Egypt made Alexandria the Second largest city, but it was in the Eastern half of the Empire, Carthage was #3 overall during the Empire and stayed Roman for 20 more years then did Egypt as both fell to the Arabs 20 years apart).

Even today Tunisia is known for its Olive production, an important item in Roman Days:
agricultural Production in order of Importance: "olives, olive oil, grain, tomatoes, citrus fruit, sugar beets, dates, almonds; beef, dairy products"
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ts.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunisia
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 12:54 AM
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8. Hell, I remember going out to Kern in 2003 as a n00b soil scientist
and licking that shit!

The things we do for our hardcore reputations! :banghead:

(And yeah, the first time I licked it to see if it was *really* salt was bad enough; the second time...! Let's just say there's a fine line between being hardcore and having some dignity... x( )
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:56 AM
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10. Do they have elk in Kern?
:shrug:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 12:12 PM
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11. They do, yes
:)

Why do you ask?
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:26 PM
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13. Oh, no reason.
So long as you're sure it was soil...
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:46 PM
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14. If the elk are shitting white crystals
there is something HORRIBLY wrong in Kern. :o
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:18 AM
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15. We're all shitting hard stuff.
There's something horribly wrong everywhere.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 12:13 PM
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12. Well, salt licks are popular things in many places.
I'm not sure it's great to have one in the middle of a farm, but who am I to say.

It was for science that you did it.

If it's any consolation, Moisson, the first person to isolate the elemental form of fluorine was killed by his discovery.

Be careful licking salts around the Salton Sea. Lots of Selenium in that stuff.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 12:49 AM
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7. This is Soil Science 101-- No water is pure; no soils are pure
In order to avoid saline accumulation, or accumulation of other soluble minerals, it takes a LOT of water.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:47 AM
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16. Lower Colorado River farmers put perforated "drain" tiles in the fields to remove salt
...by overwatering their fields for many seasons. That made the water they passed to Mexico excessively salty, so the US built a desalinization plant for Mexico.

Old news
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