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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:51 AM
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Can Anyone Own The Rain? - Water Rights and Rain Collection.
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 08:13 AM by Dover
Is the wind next?


The Denver Post

Can you own the rain?
Make harvesting the resource legal

By Daniel Fitzgerald

06/28/2008

Kris Holstrom lives with her husband and two children in a solar-powered home in rural San Miguel County. Committed to promoting sustainability, she grows organic produce year-round, most of which is sold to local restaurants and farmers markets.

On a mesa at 9,000 feet elevation, however, water other than precipitation is hard to come by.

So Kris did what thousands of farmers before her have done: She applied for a water right. Except instead of seeking to divert water from a stream, she sought to collect rain that fell upon the roof of her house and greenhouse. To her surprise, the state engineer opposed her application, arguing that other water users already had locked up the right to use the rain. The Colorado Water Court agreed, and Kris was denied the right to store a few barrels of rainwater. If she persisted with rain harvesting, she would be subject to fines of up to $500 per day.

How could this happen?

Like other western states, Colorado water law follows the prior appropriation doctrine, of which the core principle is "first in time, first in right." The first person to put water to beneficial use and comply with other legal requirements obtains a water right superior to all later claims to that water.

The right to appropriate enshrined in Colorado's Constitution has been so scrupulously honored that nearly all of the rivers and streams in Colorado are overappropriated, which means there is often not enough water to satisfy all the claims to it. When this happens, senior water-right holders can "call the river" and cut off the flow to those who filed for water rights later, so-called "juniors."

Overappropriated rivers are not unique to Colorado. Most of the watercourses in the West are fully or overappropriated. Yet other western states allow or even encourage rainwater harvesting.

The obstacle for aspiring rainwater harvesters in Colorado is not the state constitution. It speaks only of the right to divert the "unappropriated waters of any natural stream."

The problem arises because Colorado's Supreme Court has given an expansive interpretation to the term "natural stream" and coupled that with a presumption that all diffused waters ultimately will migrate to groundwater or surface streams. And because most streams are overappropriated, collecting rainwater is seen as diverting the water of those who already hold rights to it.

How is a roof a "tributary"?

Applying this legal fiction to Kris Holstrom's effort to grow food at home, the state engineer argued that her roofs were "tributary" to the San Miguel River. Because the San Miguel River is "on call" during the summer months, Kris's rain catchment would, the state engineer argued, "cause injury to senior water rights." The court agreed, even though there was no proof that the water dripping from Kris's roof would ever make it to the river...cont'd

http://www.wildlifemanagementpro.com/2008/07/09/water-rights-and-rain/

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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:59 AM
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1. Its the global water consortium creep. Water = new limited resource to control. nt
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:05 AM
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2. I seem to recall reading something similar in New Mexico
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 08:26 AM by Dover
Don't know if the law there was changed or how that ended up. Anybody know?

On edit: Found this info on current policy in N.M. which encourages rooftop and other rainwater collection. Don't know if this is a new law or whether my memory of there being a roof collection squabble is inaccurate.

http://www.ose.state.nm.us/water-info/conservation/h2o-policy.html
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:05 AM
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4. Maybe its now unlawful after 'The Water Restoration Act'?
The Water Restoration Act of 2007, along with others, gives the federal government complete control over every waterway, river, stream, lake, aquifer, creek, slew, swamp, underground spring and even the rain that runs off your roof

Sourcewatch - Water Restoration Act of 2007
H.R. 2421: Clean Water Restoration Act of 2007
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:30 AM
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6. Wow...thanks for the links. Maybe someone from N.M. who understands this first hand
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 09:58 AM by Dover
can enlighten us about what this all means.

On edit: In reading a bit more from the links, it seems the environmentalists were behind this law.
Apparently it gives the government control but also allows for rain water collection.
Is this a way to prevent private claims? Haven't read enough yet to get the big picture.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:05 AM
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3. So good government = that which protects big whatever at the expense of personal initiative. nt
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:23 AM
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5. eek what a thought
I used to say "wait til we all start fighting for water" but I hadn't even thought of people dividing up rain. What about when someone starts busting the clouds and stuff? :scared:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:09 AM
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7. Bolivia, IMF and bectell tried just that...
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:49 AM
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8. Here's what's confusing to me.
From what I understand, the Bolivian situation was an instance when public/government owned and run water was, under pressure from the IMF, privatized.

But, at least in the situation in N.M. the poster linked to above, it looks as though it is the government wishing to take control of these resources which I'm assuming keeps it out of the hands of private ownership.

Of course much depends on what the government's end game is and the fine points of how the law is written (to encourage or discourage privatization).

By claiming control over water, the government can either be protector of sustainability and good management for all, or it can work against the people by using it's 'ownership' for the benefit of the big private corporations. And one thing we can always count on with government is corruption.

So what IS the best policy with regards to water rights?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:07 AM
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10. Given the rise of the bottled water corporations
and the latest push to get rid of plastic bottles, I don't see this as anything other than a quiet end run around any regulations.

No one should own water rights other than municipalities.

When corporate ownership of water is allowed, then the control of the masses is only one step away.

Only in a state of emergency should the government step in, but until that point a well regulated system of conservation should be enforced.

Water collection and harvesting should be mandatory.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:19 AM
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11. Are you referring to the situation in Colorado in the OP?
We've got several conversations and situations being referenced in this thread and it's getting confusing. Different states are creating different laws, it seems, regarding water rights.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:42 AM
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12. Just in general. nt
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:52 AM
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9. I wouldn't apply for a water right in this day and age. Not if that's gonna happen.
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