Microwave Tires and Voilà! Alternative Fuel

[Az]

http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/microwave-alternative-fuel-47120305

Waste tires pile up and can catch fire? Zap it.

The world is running out of oil? Zap it.

Frank Pringle wants to use microwave in a vacuum to make alternative fuel from waste tires. How much? With 50 cents' worth of electricity, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer, he can make a 14-inch car tire into 1.2 gallons of diesel, 7.5 pounds of carbon black, 50 cubic feet of combustible gas and two pounds of — get this — high-strength steel. (If you're keeping score, 50-cent diesel is about one seventh the price at the pump these days.)

He's an underground inventor who has only just begun getting attention from the Department of Energy and university scientists. His trick is to dial up, or down, the frequency of microwave energy (there are 10 million different frequencies) to achieve different results (like grabbing crude from oil sands or oil shale, or making grass clippings into ethanol).

There are innumerable hurdles Pringle still must jump to scale up his invention (not least, testing the pollution potential of those new fuels and the conversion process) but it's this type of ingenuity that might solve multiple thorny problems and lead us toward a more sustainable future.

[Hydra]

1. "It can't be done! We're doomed!"

:sarcasm:

Maybe we should be digging at the graves of the "crackpots" the oil industry has been burying over the years- might lead to some useful places.

[Maq]

2. Nikola Tesla was researching RESONANCE

as are others looking at alternative ways of fueling vwhicles.

Here are a couple of sources for those interested.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:John_Kanzius_Produces_Hydrogen_from_Salt_Water_Using_Radio_Waves

Excerpt:
"...Fire from Salt Water

John Kanzius has found a way to burn salt water with the same radio wave machine he is using to kill cancer cells.
Kanzius was testing his external radio-wave generator to see if it could desalinate salt water, and the water ignited. A university chemist determined that the process is generating hydrogen, which can be burned as fuel.
While the phenomenon is interesting, it is not yet practical for energy generation as long as more energy is consumed by the radio frequency device than is produced for burning. Efficiency-wise, they started at around 76 percent of Faraday's theoretical limit. (Other Hydrogen-from-Water methods, such as the one being pursued by Bob Boyce (http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Transportation/Bob_Boyce/), are approaching 7x Faraday). They subsequently quietly reported that they surpassed 100% efficiency, which would mean that the system is somehow harnessing environmental energy such as from the zero point or some other yet-to-be discovered phenomenon.
Another problem to be overcome from burning salt water is the liberation of toxic chlorine (from the Cl of NaCl/salt).
Kanzius says if someone wants to buy up the rights to the technology, that would be fine. He would use the funds to finance his quest to cure cancer..."



http://www.water-4-fuel.com/

Excerpt:
"...I have a water-to-energy converter running in my car for over a year. YOU CAN TOO. I'm about to tell you about a SIMPLE technology you can have right now, called Water4Gas. It's one of the most PRACTICAL free-energy devices, marked by extraordinary simplicity and effectiveness.
We have developed devices that use a little electricity out of your car's battery, to separate water into a gas called HHO (2 Hydrogen + 1 Oxygen). HHO, also called Brown's Gas or Hydroxy, burns beautifully and provides TONS of energy - while the end product is just WATER! Mobile Magazine says HHO provides the atomic power of Hydrogen, while maintaining the chemical stability of water.
DID YOU KNOW: Pound for pound HHO GAS IS 3 TIMES MORE POTENT THAN GASOLINE!!! HHO is a fast growing trend for boosting performance and MPG.
We took a 90-year-old suppressed technology, We SIMPLIFIED it, You will discover how affordable yet very effective these devices are. You have our permission to replicate all of our devices - for fun or profit! Easy to install & maintain..."

[truedelphi]

7. I'm a closet Tesla nut, and after reading these links is it

Okay if I PM you with some questions??

[Maq]

8. Fine with me. I follow Tesla related stories

The latest I found were some videos.

Fine with me. I follow Tesla related stories

The latest I found were some videos.


"...found twenty seven uTube viseos on the subject

NEWCASTLE, Okla. -- Some people get a real charge watching as lightning dances across the sky during an electrical storm. A Newcastle, Oklahoma, man has found a way to harness some of that electrical energy, right in his own backyard...

..."It’s a high-frequency, high-voltage resonant transformer," Eldredge says of the apparatus better known as a Tesla Coil....a 16-foot high Tesla Coil (built) a few years ago.

Tesla coil builder Kevin Eldredge says, "I like lightning. I like to watch lightning--sparks--and this took care of that."
Thanks to YouTube, anyone with a computer can now watch the fun when he sparks a little touch of Tesla in the night.

http://www.youtube.com/user/megaelectronvolt
Text article: http://www.kxii.com/news/headlines/11249361.html

Maqs' input;
From the uTube URL above, you can see other Tesla Coils in action. Site says 27 videos available to see..."

DU SOURCE: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=228x35990#36000

[NobleCynic]

9. ::Smacks with rolled up newspaper::

Thou shalt not break the laws of thermodynamics!

Take a basic physics class before you post things like this. Please. The energy it takes to break the covalent bonds of H20 is, in an absolutely ideal situation, the exact same as burning hydrogen gas produces (which reforms said bonds). Except that you cannot reach said ideal situation because of entropy. Unless cold fusion is involved, which has its own set of problems, what is described by your links is flat out impossible.

[mopinko]

11. the myth busters busted the tesla vibrator.

and the whole resonance b.s.
telsa was a smart guy, but like many geniuses, also quite a con man.

[Maq]

12. twin towers of the WTC felled by Tesla

contraption. Devices attached to outer metal beams months before the disaster.

[losthills]

3. How much carbon is released

1. trucking the tires to the plant.
2. converting them to diesel.
3. burning the tirediesel in the trucks of our great land?

[Az]

4. According to the article

7.5 pounds of carbon black

[NobleCynic]

10. That's not what it says

From what the article claims, the 7.5 pounds it refers to is a byproduct of the microwave process. He's talking about the carbon outputs involved with the transportation and production process, and the outputs produced by the fuels generated.

[Esra Star]

5. The guy that invented this system is sucessfully operating

in Australia.
He has had alot of interest from around the world.
Looks good to me.

www.molectra.com.au

[Dead_Parrot]

6. 10 million different frequencies of microwave?

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

Damn. Now I've got a headache.

[struggle4progress]

13. Waste tires are a real public health problem. But "alternative fuel" they're not.

[mopinko]

14. before we mine the landfills, we can mine the old tires, i am sure.

if you have ever seen a tire recycling yard catch on fire, you would wonder why we are not using them. they burn like hell. you can't put them out. we should be able to use them. i don't get it.

[losthills]

15. You can make fuel out of coal, too...

The question is: Do we really need an "alternative fuel" that releases more carbon into the atmosphere?

[mopinko]

16. trap it and feed it to algae.

that's about 90 something % usable biofuel right there.

[losthills]

17. How do you intend to trap carbon

coming out the tailpipes of cars?

[mopinko]

18. well i guess that is a different question

i assumed you were talking about the manufacturing process.

[losthills]

19. I'm talking about the whole chain....

Making fuel from old tires would make sense if you had no concerns about global warming.

If you're worried about global warming, then I don't think it pencils out....

[mopinko]

20. sounds like only an end to the internal combustion engine

would "pencil out" for you. you are making an assumption for which you have no evidence.
the oil might be made into pharmaceuticals in a zero emissions factory. old tires would probably just as easily make electricity. they might be made into rigid styrofoam insulation, with all the waste process gasses recycled. would any of those pencil out?