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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 05:43 PM
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man facing charges for shooting mountain lion
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 05:49 PM by blondie58
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2007/oct/08/man-shoots-kills-mountain-lion-near-gross-reservoi/

Questions in cougar shooting
Jeremy Kocar killed mountain lion that attacked a puppy chained on the property
By Vanessa Miller (Contact)
Originally published 12:27 p.m., October 8, 2007
Updated 11:17 p.m., October 8, 2007

Only stars and the glimmer from a 140-pound mountain lion's fierce gaze provided light in the midnight darkness of Boulder County's foothills for Jeremy Kocar to cock and aim his rifle.

Still, Kocar said his eyes adjusted "quick enough" when the cougar looked up from the puppy in its clutches.


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"I took the shot, and that was the end of it," said Kocar, 31, who now finds himself facing possible criminal charges for shooting the adult male lion.

It's been three days since Kocar said he saved his family's Rottweiler-Labrador mix, Duke — and possibly his own life — by shooting the lion that attacked the 8-month-old puppy. But, Kocar said, it will be much longer before he's able to get over the moment he stared down the cat as it crouched in a "pouncing" position.

"That's one thing you don't ever want," Kocar said Monday while standing outside the trailer that he, his wife and their two children are living in near Nederland. "You don't want to come face-to-face with a lion."


Photo by Joshua Lawton

Jeremy Kocar, a Wisconsin man temporarily living near Nederland, sits with 8-month-old Duke, who was mauled by a mountain lion near Kocar's trailer early Friday. Kocar shot and killed the cougar, and now may face criminal charges.
The Colorado Division of Wildlife confiscated the cougar that Kocar killed at approximately 1:30 a.m. Friday in a clearing east of Gross Reservoir. Wildlife officers are reviewing the shooting, and DOW spokeswoman Jennifer Churchill said her agency is "investigating what will happen to the person who shot the lion."

"We do have laws that allow people to protect their safety and their livestock," Churchill said. "But this is the tricky gray area of it being a dog."According to Colorado law, it's legal "to trap, kill or otherwise dispose of bears, mountain lions or dogs in situations when it is necessary to prevent them from inflicting death or injury to livestock or human life."

That's exactly what Kocar said he was doing when the lion tucked Duke under his belly, as if "it was protecting its kill," and turned its attention to Kocar.

"I'm from Wisconsin — and we take care of things there," Kocar said.

Close encounters
There have been numerous mountain lion sightings, attacks and encounters in Boulder County this year.

Here are some:

Past week: Numerous residents living in the Nederland area reported dogs being attacked or killed by a mountain lion.

Sept. 27: A Nederland couple's 60-pound Australian shepherd was killed by a mountain lion.

Sept. 12-13: Multiple people reported seeing a mountain lion wandering in the area of 13th Street and Columbine Avenue in Boulder.

Sept. 2: A mountain lion killed a 15-year-old miniature horse seven miles west on Magnolia Road.

Aug. 29: A family's 7-year-old yellow Labrador was attacked by a mountain lion in northwest Boulder.

May 24: Wildlife officers killed a mountain lion in northwest Boulder after a resident reported the cougar in his backyard.

May 13: A couple's 16-pound cat, Big Guy, was killed by a mountain lion outside their home in the 3100 block of 11th Street.

April 12: Wildlife officers tranquilized a mountain lion caught feasting on a deer in north Boulder, in the 500 block of Kalmia Avenue.

Source: Camera archives and Division of Wildlife
Kocar, his wife, Angela Kocar, 25, and their children — Alena, 4, and Jacob, 8 months — are living out of a trailer parked in a mountain clearing near Nederland while they work on a wildfire mitigation project for West Range Reclamation.

Until the attack, the Kocars said they had heard little about mountain lions, and every night they'd chain their two puppies — Duke and Taffy, a blue heeler — outside the trailer.

They won't do that anymore, Angela Kocar said.

She was the first person to hear — and then see — the lion's teeth around her dog's neck early Friday. As her husband slept, Angela Kocar said she heard a growl and a yelp that she thought was a raccoon.

She grabbed a flashlight, pulled on her shoes and ran out to break up the fight. What she saw, though, was far from a small-animal scrap.

"I came within 10 feet of the cat that was standing there with the dog in its mouth," she said. "I froze and dropped the flashlight."

Her husband, annoyed that the dog had woken him up, came out and picked up the light. Angela Kocar said she ran inside to be with her children and to watch from the trailer's window.

Jeremy Kocar said he confronted the lion, shouting and waving his arms in the air. The lion responded like something out of a "wildlife documentary," he said.

"He was thrashing the dog in its mouth," he said.

Angela Kocar added: "He was whipping the dog around trying to get it off the chain."

"He was not leaving here without the dog," she said. "And he wasn't afraid of us at all."

After her husband shot the lion, Angela Kocar drove five miles to where she could get reception on her cell phone and called 911. Jeremy Kocar stayed at the trailer and attended to the dog that he thought was dead.

He said he cautiously walked up to the motionless lion and lifted its paw off the puppy.

"I said, 'Come on, Duke,' but I thought he had snapped his spine," he said.

When the dog leapt to his feet, Jeremy Kocar said he was stunned.

"He jumped up, shook himself off, and his tail was waggin'," he said.

Duke has been treated for head-to-toe bruises and multiple slashes. He has 50 stitches, and Angela Kocar said, "The vet said he was damn lucky."

Since the shooting, the couple said about 20 neighbors have stopped by say "thank you," making the Kocars feel like "little celebrities." Numerous area residents said they suspect the slain lion is responsible for killing a man's pet miniature horse Sept. 2 and a couple's 60-pound Australian shepherd Sept. 27, and attacking several other pets in the neighborhood.

Division of Wildlife officers said lab tests on the lion might provide clues as to whether the animal can be linked to other attacks. Wildlife officers in September tried to capture and euthanize a mountain lion after it killed a miniature horse, but traps weren't successful in snagging the cat.

Angela Kocar said her neighbors "have been living in terror up here."

"So we've had nothing but gratitude," she said. "One woman brought Duke homemade dog treats and a turkey loaf."

Neighbor Scott Johnson, 46, said it's sad such a beautiful animal was killed.

"But I feel safe now," he said.

Contact Camera Staff Writer Vanessa Miller at 303-473-1329 or millerv@dailycamera.com.






I feel sorry for this man, his dog and his family, but the fool left his dogs CHAINED up outside, where they had been mountain lion sitings recently already. We live in their territory and need to take the precautions necesary. Most people who live in the mountains know that you have to take certain precautions for bears and mountain lions- and even for fires. If you don't respect nature, it will turn on you.
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:19 PM
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1. Good point
But I wouldn't hesitate to shoot an animal attact my pets either. They shouldn't the charge the man at all!
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 05:48 AM
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3. yeah, but I wouldn't be so stupid as to leave some BAIT
out for the lion either. You don't leave trash out around bears and you certainly don't leave a puppy out for a hungry lion or bear. I would have protected my dog also- but he wouldn't have been chained outside.
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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:48 PM
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2. Chaining a puppy
all night in lion country could be considered baiting. The fact that he just happened to have a high powered rifle at the ready seems suspicious...
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 08:21 AM
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4. They were living in a trailer...and FWIW, most people in the country have outside dogs,
Edited on Fri Oct-12-07 08:24 AM by benEzra
not inside dogs. That wasn't baiting, IMO. And most people I know who live in the country (especially that isolated) "just happen" to own rifles (heck, my wife and I both own rifles, and we live in the suburbs). 40% of households in this country own guns, and the percentage in rural Wyoming is undoubtedly way higher than that.

And if the cat had so lost its fear of humans that it would come right up to the trailer to kill a small dog, then it would be no less likely to come into the yard to kill a child. And it sounds like the cat had made this a habit:

Numerous area residents said they suspect the slain lion is responsible for killing a man's pet miniature horse Sept. 2 and a couple's 60-pound Australian shepherd Sept. 27, and attacking several other pets in the neighborhood.


I'm all for preventing the wanton killing of the big cats (and I don't hunt, FWIW), but darned if I'd let a cat who had decided my yard was a kill zone to eat a pet, because one of my kids could be next.

And the idea that it's OK to shoot a cat if it's eating an animal you keep for slaughter, but not if it's eating the family dog in your yard, strikes me as odd.
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pnutbutr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 09:36 AM
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5. Virginia
I live in the mountains in Virginia and although there is suspicion as to whether mountain lions are here, two of my neighbors have seen them on my property and one of them had a calf killed by one. They have lived in the area their entire lives and I have no reason to not trust what they told me. I have a shotgun and rifle at ready access(unloaded and secure)but can get them ready in about 30 seconds if necessary.

Stories like this I do not mind so much that a mountain lion was killed although it is always sad when such a beautiful creature meets it's end. I read a story in a bowhunting magazine. I make selfbows and this particular magazine had some good stuff about making selfbows but I am not a hunter and am not against hunting in general. The story was about a man who hunts mountain lions. He sends his dogs out to find a scent and track the lion for miles as he follows well behind. Eventually the dogs scare the lion into a tree and keep it trapped there until the hunter arrives and shoots the lion out of the tree. He called this the ultimate hunt, I call it being a cat murdering pussy. That hunter is the guy who should be facing charges, not people who legitimately protect the lives of their animals and property. With that said it was probably a bad idea to leave the dog outside overnight but not an uncommon thing in the country.
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 01:37 PM
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10. WELCOME!
:hi:

Always good to see someone else from Virginia around here! And yes, I bet we still have a few lions in SWVA, though not for long. What part of VA are you in? Im in the Shenandoah Valley.
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pnutbutr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 01:39 PM
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11. eastern
side of the mountains about 10 minutes from Shenandoah National Park and Skyline Drive.
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 01:45 PM
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12. bear country
thats a beautiful part of the state.
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pnutbutr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 02:10 PM
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13. oh yeah
We had a momma and two little cubs hang around the area for a few months. Haven't seen them in awhile though.
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 11:37 AM
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9. Suspicious? WTF??
I highly doubt he chained the dog up to purpossly shoot a lion, for god sakes. Most people in the country leave their dogs outside, chained up or fenced in. And most do own rifles, shotguns, or hand guns! That just how it is.
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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 10:01 AM
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6. A lion that preys on livestock
is damaging a family's livlihood.

A lion that snags a puppy from someone that doesn't care enough to provide a fenced yard, and keeps it chained to a tree all night is performing a public service....
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pnutbutr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 10:34 AM
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7. fences
They live in a trailer, fences are expensive and mountain lions don't think twice about jumping them. Leaving dogs outside at night is fairly common in the country and has no bearing on the care of the dog. Some of the most loving dog owners I know leave their dogs outside at night.
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 11:33 AM
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8. I keep my dogs outside too, but they're not chained up, nor is the yard fenced up
Instead we have one of those invisible fence things where my two dogs wears a collar that shocks them when they get near the edge of the yard. Worked out really well, they dont have to be chained up, nor confined in a small space, they can run around freely in the 2 acre yard.

Once in a while I do bring them in the house but they problem is, is that they shed hair like crazy.
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