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Eclipsenow Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:01 PM
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Big Oil take over Wiki on Shale oil?
Hi all,

I don't have time, but we need Wikipedians on Shale oil entry! Something just smelt fishy... no evidence that big oil actually wrote it, but the whole Wiki on Shale oil just seems to be so pro-shale that I felt a little bedazzled at the way the article was evolving. Any wikipedians out there want to tackle this? (Following just copied from my blog on Shale oil).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_oil

6. Shale oil — Wikipedia article bias of August 2007
It is very interesting that of August 2007, the Wikipedia article ONLY mentions the various technologies for extracting Shale oil. It looks like Big Oil are onto Wikipedia, and are editing the Shale Oil page to their advantage. The primary emphasis of the article is how much can be extracted and how quickly, not the overall ERoEI of such projects, the immense natural gas or nuclear plants that would be required to heat and run the process, and the ENORMOUS environmental destruction that could result. I am shocked that the Wikipedia process can be so misused by Big Oil, and hope that the following article from Worldwatch creates some awareness amongst the Wikipedians to even have "Environmental Concerns" listed among this article's headings.


7. Worldwatch on Shale oil tell a different story!
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/5167
Plenty of Shale, Plenty of Problems (June 2007)

Oil shale—sedimentary rock that contains a petroleum-like substance called kerogen—is found in great quantities in the western United States, particularly in the Green River Basin spanning portions of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming. According to Bobby McEnaney, a public lands advocate at NRDC, there are two main ways to extract the kerogen from the shale. The first, an “ex-situ” process, involves mining the shale in an open-pit or underground mine, crushing it, and then distilling it at temperatures exceeding 800 degrees Fahrenheit. The other method, which remains largely unproven, is an “in-situ” process whereby heaters are placed in the ground to liquefy the kerogen in place. The liquid can then be extracted using current oil well technology and sent to a refinery to be processed.

The U.S. Energy Policy Act of 2005 requires the Department of Interior to promote research and development of oil shale resources and to establish a commercial leasing program, accelerating the potential commercialization of the fuel source. The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) has already set aside three separate 160-acre (65 hectare) tracts of land for research activities, and plans to hold a sale of commercial oil shale leases by the end of 2008. However, data from any research projects—including information on the environmental and social impacts and economic viability of the resource—would likely not be available by the time the commercial leases are offered.

Studies conducted so far suggest that oil shale extraction would adversely affect the air, water, and land around proposed projects. The distillation process would release toxic pollutants into the air—including sulfur dioxide, lead, and nitrogen oxides. Existing BLM analysis indicates that current oil shale research projects would reduce visibility by more than 10 percent for several weeks a year. And NRDC states that in a well-to-wheel comparison, greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from oil shale are close to double those from conventional crude, with most of them occurring during production. According to the Rand Corporation, producing 100,000 barrels of oil shale per day would emit some 10 million tons of GHGs.

The BLM reports that mining and distilling oil shale would require an estimated 2.1 to 5.2 barrels of water for each barrel of oil produced—inputs that could reduce the annual flow of Colorado’s White River by as much as 8.2 percent. Residues that remain from an in-situ extraction process could also threaten water tables in the Green River Basin, the agency says.

NRDC notes that the infrastructure needed to develop oil shale would impose equally serious demands on local landscapes. The group warns that impressive arrays of wildlife would be displaced as land is set aside for oil shale development. And it says that while open pit mining would scar the land, in-situ extraction would require leveling the land and removing all vegetation.
In addition to the environmental impacts of oil shale, vast amounts of energy are required to support production. In Driving it Home, NRDC cites Rand Corporation estimates that generating 100,000 barrels of shale oil would require 1,200 megawatts of power—or the equivalent of a new power plant capable of serving a city of 500,000 people. Proponents of oil shale have a stated goal of producing one million barrels of the resource per day.

So far, large-scale oil shale projects have not yet been started in the United States, and the BLM is still drafting its environmental impact study. The public examination and comment period is scheduled to begin this summer. Unless oil shale development receives considerable government support, the industry is not expected to be economically viable. According to the Denver Post, the oil company Shell recently withdrew its application for a mining permit for an oil shale research and development lease, citing economic reasons.

This story was produced by Eye on Earth, a joint project of the Worldwatch Institute and the blue moon fund. View the complete archive of Eye on Earth stories, or contact Staff Writer Alana Herro at aherro worldwatch org with your questions, comments, and story ideas.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:55 PM
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1. shale oil extraction is a disaster for every water drinking creature
You need water to live...
Shale extraction uses precious water...
"But don’t forget, there is one resource more precious than oil in the Middle East - water. And oil shale extraction consumes more water than almost any other form of energy.
Oil shale will not save us from peak oil panic: It will create a greater panic over water."
http://www.alternativenews.org/news/english/will-a-proposed-shale-oil-power-plant-in-israels-negev-desert-sideline-renewable-resource-options-20060605.html

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razzleberry Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:33 AM
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4. c'mon, there is plenty of water in most places .n/t.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:23 AM
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6. or not...
Global Water Shortage Looms In New Century
http://cals.arizona.edu/AZWATER/awr/dec99/Feature2.htm

Peak Water: The Southwest today, the rest of the US tomorrow?
http://www.dailyreckoning.com/rpt/PeakWater.html

The End of Plenty - Getting Resourceful About Resources
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/31/AR2005123100307.html

Crisis Overload: Peak Oil, Peak Grain and Peak Water
http://www.counterbias.com/710.html
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 08:00 PM
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7. and this is a good year.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:08 AM
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5. WHy not ocean water; and strip out the salt?
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 11:09 AM by HypnoToad
We purify aquariums with filters, why not other forms of water?

Hell, a large Brita(tm) attachment wouldn't come amiss either. :D
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:26 AM
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2. There are seperate entries for oil shale, extraction, economics, and environmental issues
The main article is Oil_shale, it mentions EROEI and links to the other articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale

<snip>

Oil extraction
Main article: Oil shale extraction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale_extraction

<snip>

Economics
Main article: Oil shale economics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale_economics

<snip>

Environmental considerations
Main article: Environmental effects of oil shale industry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_effects_of_oil_shale_industry

<snip>

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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:14 AM
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3. The article is part of a larger WikiProject. It is not *THE* article on oil shale.
It is important to note that the link and Wikipedia article title in the OP
are out of date.

The article at the OP link has been retitled (moved) to Oil shale extraction
as a technical focus under a more general main Oil Shale article. The
articles are part of the larger WikiProject Energy.

The main article gives an general overview and links to more specific articles
about extraction, economics and environmental concerns.

The article to address is Environmental effects of oil shale industry.

The first thing I would do is go to the talk page of the main article to discuss
with the editors whether environmental concerns should get a more prominent
mention in the interest of balance. It is a collaborative project. The most
constructive action would be to expand and improve articles in the right places.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 08:08 PM
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8. I heard a guy from Shell do an "oil" shale presentation
To fully exploit the formations in W. Colorado and E. Utah would require duplicating the entire electrical generating capacity of the state of Colorado - and this was a guy from an oil company noting the necessary infrastructure costs.

Oil shale is the fuel of the future - and it always will be.
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