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J Williams Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 06:53 PM
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If Bush thinks he's in trouble now, just wait 'til ...
If you’ve never seen this web site, or haven’t seen it in awhile, you ought to check it out.

At the bottom of the home page it has a link to a page on The Truth About Bush’s War. It shows the real reason why Bush invaded Iraq and has insisted on maintaining the American occupation. It’s according to a neo-con plan formulated a year before 9/11/2001.

http://realprophecyunveiled.netfirms.com

If Bush thinks he’s in trouble now, just wait until this finally becomes widespread public knowledge.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 06:55 PM
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1. not found
link?
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 07:04 PM
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3. Bad redirect and hard-to-read site, BUT...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 06:58 PM
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2. Wow. A neocon plan, huh?
Gosh. Think of that.
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J Williams Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 08:35 PM
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4. I understand, but...
Aquart, I understand your sarcasm, and I recognize that you and most people on the DU are savvy and probably don't need to be told about the PNAC. However, most Americans are ignorant of the real reason for Bush's war, and Joseph J. Adamson has written a very concise and informative web page about that. That's all I was trying to say.
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J Williams Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 12:28 PM
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5. There is an even more ominous reason for Bush's War
As most of you know, one of the reasons for Bush’s War is revealed in the PNAC document that was written even before Bush assumed office. However, there is another, even more ominous reason.

Adamson points out that certain right-wing conservative preachers helped President George W. Bush to beat the war drums for the war on Iraq by claiming that it would fulfill the prophecy of the warring “sixth angel” who “poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates...” (Revelation 16:12) Of course, Bush didn’t reveal that belief to the country, but it’s part of the set of beliefs that motivate him.

Such false beliefs stem from a gross misunderstanding of symbolic prophecy, and they are very harmful and dangerous. Such beliefs even lead some religious zealots who have a desire for power and a propensity for violence to believe that they should try to help start a so-called “final world war” (or at least feed the fires of existing violent conflict so that it will turn into the “final war”), believing that it will bring on the Christ’s so-called “second coming” or the Jewish Moshiac's coming.

Granted, the preachers who influenced and encouraged Bush are probably not as bad as the ultra-right-wing preacher or preachers who influenced, misled and incited Timothy McVeigh to commit the mass murder of innocent men, women and children in the federal building in Oklahoma City. Those idiotic malicious extremist “preachers” hold even more absurd beliefs. They believe that the world is ruled by Satan and that the government is therefore evil and must be destroyed. But, nevertheless, Bush has either deluded himself or he has been misguided by deluded right-wing preachers who think they must wage “holy war” to fulfill prophecy.

That is why Bob Woodward has written sarcastically, “The president was casting his mission and that of the country in the grand vision of God’s Master Plan.” In Woodward’s book The Plan of Attack, he even revealed Bush’s immense pride in his belief that he’s “doing God’s will” by waging war.
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USA No. 1 Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 01:38 PM
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6. Impeach Him Now!
Edited on Sun Jan-21-07 01:39 PM by USA No. 1
HE LIED ABOUT THE WARS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. HE HAS SQUANDERED WHATEVER GOOD WILL THIS COUNTRY HAD WITH OUR ALLIES AND THE REST OF THE WORLD. HE'S ABOUT TO GET US INTO A WAR WITH IRAN AND SYRIA. HE HAS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY AND IGNORED THE CONSTITUTION. HE IGNORED US DURING HURRICANE KATRINA.

IF GEORGE BUSH DOES NOT REPRESENT A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DOES. IMPEACH HIM NOW!

IF THIS GUY ISN'T OUT OF OFFICE BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, I'M QUITTING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
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J Williams Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 02:14 PM
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7. ABSOLUTELY!
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 07:20 AM
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8. Impeachment Links and Evidence
I've been working to get the discussion started on a right leaning forum runnersworld.com. I now need to back my position of Impeachement up with evidence. Can someone send me towards a good set of links that detail the evidence for impeachement? I know it is there and hard evidence too but I don't have time to pull it together myself. Articles of impeachment are fine but they generally don't detail and document the evidence. Can anyone point me in the correct direction?

Thanks!
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insomnomaniacal Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 01:45 PM
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10. I'd love to see Bush impeached, but...
why pee into the wind?  We don't have the votes in the House,
and even if we did, the Senate would acquit him, because,
again, we don't have the votes.   I know it is frustrating,
aggravating, and even enraging that this little turdlet, this
criminal tool, is not being held to account, but why waste our
time?  As Nancy Pelosi realized right off the bat, impeachment
is "not on the table."  This was a wise comment as
well as an informed decision. 

One aspect of Democratic strategy that I've heard mentioned a
few times is, I think, very smart.  The best way to explain
this is to talk about why we won't cut off funds for the war,
even if we could.  

My understanding is that the Democratic strategy is to keep
this President under pressure until 2008.  We might attempt
any number of things, all unlikely to escape a veto -- and we
don't have the numbers in the Senate to overcome his veto.  

The bottom line is this: if Democrats cut funding for the war,
then Iraq will still be a mess in 2008.  If Democrats do not
cut funding for the war, then Iraq will still be a mess in
2008.  Democratic candidates for the Presidency, House, or
Senate in 2008 do not want to be open to the charge that Iraq
is not working out because they cut off the funds.  They want
to be able to say, "We funded the war to safeguard the
troops, but the war is failing in spite of that, because the
entire policy is a failure.  Vote for US."

So, what's best for getting a Democrat in the White House in
2008, and for increasing the Democratic majorities in the
House and Senate?  What's best is for Bush, and not us, to
"own" the war.  

Some will no doubt accuse me of putting politics above lives. 
But the fact is that the dying in Iraq is going to go on until
2008, as will the Bush strangle-hold on foreign and domestic
policy in general.  What we want, and what our real hope must
be, is to increase our majorities in the House and Senate and
take the White House.  Then, and only then, can we roll back
the great damage that the Bush creature has done to us, at
home and in the world.  
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insomnomaniacal Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 10:08 AM
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9. I didn't find the link to "The Truth About Bush's War"
I think we all know the truth about Bush's war, and of the
other various motivations and influences that brought this war
about.  There may be no one easy or identifiable reason or
conspiracy behind the war, but it would seem safe to conclude
that PNAC served as a theoretical underpinning for this
secretive, neoconservative vision; that GWB had determined,
even before the 2000 "election", to invade Iraq; and
that upon the occurrences of 9/11 he seized upon the occasion
to twist the truth to justify his predetermined invasion of
Iraq.  

I am no fan of Bill O'Reilly, believe me, but on an NPR
discussion with James Carville, he presented some interesting,
and probably valid, factors that encouraged Bush to attempt
his ill-advised adventure.  First, because the CIA more or
less handled the Afghanistan war, and because the war
succeeded (or seemed to succeed) despite critic's warnings
that it would be a disaster and a quagmire, Bush felt, wrongly
of course, that the same could be done in Iraq.  But Rumsfeld
and the Pentagon ran the Iraq show, not the CIA, and the
"Commander Guy" and Rummy were more than willing to
distort, suppress or ignore CIA intelligence as well as to lie
outright.  And they did all of the above.  Moreover,
politically speaking, what better way could there have been to
blot out completely any real discussion of Bush's performance
in office by 2002 than to fire up the Iraq controversy during
the mid-term election campaign?  This effectively drowned out
any discussion of Bush's domestic policies or the
effectiveness of his foreign policy, or anything else.  It was
the beginning of the most dramatic "Wag-the-Dog" war
we could possibly have imagined. 
O'Reilly's arguments, however, combined with the ad hoc post
facto rationalizations for the war with which we are all
familiar (WMDs, ties to al-Qaeda, blah, blah), were no more
than additional window dressing for the Bush lies.  However,
it does underscore the fact that the CIA was NOT wrong in its
assessments in Afghanistan, but that the agency was barely
consulted, or selectively consulted, regarding Iraq.  

And yet, the religious entanglements of Bush and his war are
real, and perhaps just as disturbing as his lies about, and
distortions of, CIA intelligence.  The religious right does
apply its prophetic nonsense to this situation, and they want
to see what they believe is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy
in the reestablishment of Israel (done) and the rebuilding of
the Temple.  Some of you may have seen on TV, as I have, a
feature about the efforts of a rich, religious, right-wing
rancher who is breeding cattle in an attempt actually to
produce the "red heifer" that (he says) is
prophecied to be sacrificed as a key ritual in bringing about
the Second Coming.  

So, what we see here, unhappily, is a form of true insanity
taken into the highest level of government as part and parcel
of policy-formation.  

I don't see that resorting to a delusional religious mode of
thinking is of any help in defending us from the infection of
a president's mind with the same.  We need only an adherence
to facts, logic, and the precepts of the Constitution in order
to counter the errors and crimes of the Bush administration,
as well as the errors and crimes of religious zealotry,
wherever it raises its truly ugly head. 
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