Is it too much to hope for that the media won't turn Michelle Obama's misstep into

[zbdent]

the next "Dean Scream"/"Kerry insults the soldiers"/"Bush said something? Really?" nuke?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

1. They will but it doesn't seem to be sticking, based on yesterday's results. nt

[griffi94]

2. yes it is too much to hope for

it's already happening...same thing with kirk watson of matthews show last night...local news just showed former mayor watson saying he supported obama...then the question to name an obama accomplishmet in the senate...and watson didn't know one....they've already shown it here in austin a bunch of times....it looks pretty bad.....

[Mz Pip]

5. I noticed

Matthews didn't ask one Hillary supporter if he/she could name one accomplishment of hers in the Senate. Interesting.

[bigbrother05]

8. I've noticed they

have not asked one Bush supporter (if they can find that 19%) about his policy's, even more interesting.

[griffi94]

10. hillary isn't the frontrunner

nightline last night was a segment on obama...they showed the rock concert element of his rallies with the fainting and the hysteria.....and mentioned that so far he was all rhetoric......

[amborin]

3. may be too much to hope

the right wing shows are already playing it over and over...whipping people into a frenzy

very unfortunate of her to have said that

regardless of her true sentiments, or whether it's valid from the black perspective, she should have known how it would impact the broader audience....it sounds shocking when you look at the text....has she any idea of the freedoms and comforts we have here, and our achievements?

she seems like a loose cannon, she's said other wild card stuff also

imagine this in november: "first time proud of country (now that my hubby is running) versus McCain's war hero record (and, yes, he is a war hero, never mind it was another debacle and never mind he's a dangerous idiot)

[beezlebum]

13. and also

minus the "really" part? as in "first time i am really proud of my country?"

sometimes, amborin, i wonder about you. are you fucking kidding me? whether or not it's "valid" from "the black perspective?" wtf- blacks have only faced extreme oppression in this country for a few hundred years, and within michelle obama's lifetime, schools were still segregated, among many other awful, shameful disparaging treatments.

loose cannon? should have known? what she said was basically innocuous and is being taken completely out of context, and without regard to perspective, not to mention the nationalistic fervor that mccainites and clinton supporters are referring to it as "appalling."

are you really proud of the things this country has done? especially within michelle obama's lifetime (nixon through W)?

with the exception of isolated incidents and civil rights heroes, with the exception of a few appeasing bills and rights, and with the exception of the sentient, coherent portion of the population, by and large this is a nation whose economic system thrives on predatory practices, economic slavery, international interventionism in the form of fascist coups and military conflict. it has fed its people dangerous propaganda and dumbed them down, while bowing down to a war machine repeatedly for goddamned near a century if not longer without regard to for human life, all in the supposed name of liberation, er, greed and far-reaching power.

that said, when even dems are playing this game, of course it's going to hurt obama. and bottom line- it really shouldn't. but have fun jumping on the rovian bandwagon.

[amborin]

15. i've traveled all over the world

and seen the shocking oppression and poverty that so many experience....including throughout sub-saharan africa, where women's lives are miserable....have you witnessed the way women are treated there?

otherwise--you give way too much credit to top-down accounts and causality

referring to citizens, you say the nation has "dumbed them down," but this implies no free will

people have allowed themselves to be "dumbed down" it's their choice whether or not to turn off the boob tube....

war machine for near a century?

so fighting fascism in wwii was also in the name of greed?

otherwise, again---yes, michelle is a loose cannon...she earlier made disparaging comments about obama's household habits....maybe you call this refreshing candor? i call it dangerous naivetee

[beezlebum]

16. my, my what a spin- "dangerous naivette"

indeed! :eyes:

shocking oppression in sub-saharan africa, throughout the middle east, in asia and elsewhere- all of which, yes, i've seen- is irrelevant in terms of pride in america and its own disgraceful history of oppression and genocide. that sort of spin seems to attempt to trivialize the suffering of american blacks and other minorities and women; i saw on another forum where a freeper tried to say that since the obama's are "fortunate," they ought to "shut up and be proud." freeper tactics, amborin.

we're talking america honey, paraded as the greatest country in the world, and are supposed to be among the wealthiest. but where does the respect, the, ahem, pride come in? how can i be proud of the way minorities and women have been treated here? how can we really step up for the human rights of other countries when ours is in such disarray?

just because american oppression is supposedly to a lesser degree doesn't make it any less humiliating, and it's definitely not something to be proud of, especially when we haven't exactly avoided involvement with fascist governments who have disparaged human rights- that's right- some of the massive oppression in those third world countries is a direct result of american involvement, but our ptb did not and do not care so long as it meant/means profit and power.

as far as wwII- more spin on your part. i'm not going to waste more of my time going down the list of US invasions and occupations and assistance of fascist coups and economic thievery and support for the war machine eisenhower himself warned us about for your sake- it's quite lengthy, detailed, and some of it requires insight and the ability to decipher nuance on your part. go read a book, or even a few essays on american history- not the revisionist crap you were taught in grammar schools- howard zinn would be a good start (people's history).

dumbed down by the boob tube INDEED- it sounds as though you yourself have been downing that prescription by the case. for a worldly traveler you sure come across as an ignorant twit. you can shove your free-republic rovian "america hater" rhetoric where the sun doesn't shine.

on EDIT: WWII is not the only war this country has ever fought- i'm still flabbergasted that you would actually go "there;" but, true, aspects of even "the good war" were inexcusable as well.

[liberal N proud]

4. You know they will

But Hillary had her own Dean scream thing so they are probably perplexed as to who's to show.

[Frances]

6. The Repubs will capitalize on statements like that

to scare voters into thinking that Obama is really another Al Sharpton.

Fortunately, that statement was made very early in the campaign, and hopefully Michelle will be more careful in the future.

[zbdent]

14. flipping through the radio AM dial incrementally, I heard one nutcase

saying that the MSM hasn't taken this as the treason it really is ...

Maybe the MSM is waiting for the talking points/attack formation to be sent to them from Faux/Washington Times/Heritage Foundation

[buff2]

7. Michelle needs to get off the stage out of the public eye

Just like Kerry's wife,she keeps putting her foot in her mouth. She needs to stfu already.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

9. Much, much more so than Teresa, imho. (nt)

[Virginia Dare]

11. I stay away from GDP, what did she say?...n/t

[abbeyco]

12. It's been a big screech-fest item on Faux Snooze

All the harping righties have been hammering on it - my Mom's a big Fox/Rush/Bennett listener, so she wanted to pick my brain about it. The fighting righties believe Michelle nearly committed treason by her statement.

Frankly, I don't care - she was trying to express how she felt and if it was not worded appropriately, I don't think it's a big deal.